Ze & Zs With A Dilog 9083P

[Tarrantino]

Im currently carrying out my first schedule of test results and am using a dilog 9083p. Everything has been fine until i have come to the Ze and Zs tests. On this particular tester it only has one setting for the both of them? When i do the test i get two results. The first on the main display with a smaller reading in the bottom right of the screen and then if i press f1 i get another result? Could someone please help me so i know what result reffers to what? Many thanks in advance

 

[apprentice87]

Hi There, never used one of these testers so i cannot say for sure, but at a guess, is one reading the loop impedance in ohms and the other the PEFC in amps....

john...

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

1/ Welcome to the forum....

2/ Do you not have the user manual for this meter you are using....

3/ If 'YES' why haven't you read it?

4/ If 'NO' have you tried using the internet to search for the manual...

5/...  try this

http://www.dilog.co.uk/downloads/17th/9083P%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf

Around page 18 ish i think??

Para 5.6 ??

It really does worry me that anyone considering using any meter they are not familiar with hasn't first got hold of the instruction guide...

and read it !!

I would hate to think any doctors or nurses just do trial and error with the equipment in the hospital.. 

guess at what the numbers mean....

or have to ask on the internet...

But then again...  Doctors are dealing with human life..

whereas Electricity is safe so unskilled persons are good to work on it!

:coat

 

[Tarrantino]

On the first screen the main reading is in ohms and the bottom right is amps, but when you press f1 you then get another reading in ohms and bottom right in amps. one must be the ze and the other zs. and the bottom right is pfc and psc? but what i dont understand is which is what?

 

[Technician]

This meter can give two reads of fault current. One PSCC

and the other PEFC.  The manual DOES explain.

 

[apprentice87]

Sorry Tarantino, but if you cannot figure out which is which you should not be doing this work. Testing Ze is very different from testing Zs so the meter cannot work it out for you!!!

Go and learn the difference between Zs and Ze and the difference between PEFC and PSCC and then we might be able to help you...

john...

 

[Tarrantino]

Sorry Tarantino, but if you cannot figure out which is which you should not be doing this work. Testing Ze is very different from testing Zs so the meter cannot work it out for you!!!

Go and learn the difference between Zs and Ze and the difference between PEFC and PSCC and then we might be able to help you...

john...

suck my balls, im c&G 2394 2395 qualified.

Its just this tester im not sure about and i dont have the instruction manual

 

[Technician]

Tarrantino;  I have used these;  I will get mine out

tonight.  Take what John says seriously because

you DO need to know which is which and what to

do.  I am not knocking you at all, but I may be able

to help.

 

[steptoe]

suck my balls, im c&G 2394 2395 qualified. Its just this tester im not sure about and i dont have the instruction manual

After that outburst I wont be giving you any advice apart from the following,

Having a piece of paper doesnt make you a spark, go get some manners, and while your at it,

Pick up some intelligence too, seems yet again that you think you know it all, but obviously dont know the difference between 2 very basic things like Ze and Zs :shakehead

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

suck my balls, im c&G 2394 2395 qualified.

Its just this tester im not sure about and i dont have the instruction manual

Go back and re-read post #3...

YOU DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE MANUAL   headbang

http://www.dilog.co.uk/downloads/17th/9083P%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf

Here you go..

theres another copy!!!

:coat

 

[Sharpend]

Perhaps it the English version he can't read?

 

[Andy™]

suck my balls, im c&G 2394 2395 qualified.

Its just this tester im not sure about and i dont have the instruction manual

you may be qualified, but you are not competent.

 

[pewter]

On the first screen the main reading is in ohms and the bottom right is amps, but when you press f1 you then get another reading in ohms and bottom right in amps. one must be the ze and the other zs. and the bottom right is pfc and psc? but what i dont understand is which is what?

that must be some tester that can do ze & zs at the same time.

PEFC & PSSC  the largest is PFC.  what is a PSC?.

how did you manage to pass the 2394 & 2395 and not know what PFC, ZE & ZS are

 

[steptoe]

that must be some tester that can do ze & zs at the same time.

PEFC & PSSC  the largest is PFC.  what is a PSC?.

how did you manage to pass the 2394 & 2395 and not know what PFC, ZE & ZS are

PSCC

prospective short circuit current

I think its yet another case of learning how to push buttons on a particular tester, NOT actually learning how to test, or interpet the results.

 

[apprentice87]

Hey Tarantino...

I was not trying to be clever, the other members will all tell you i am not like that. I just thought that you should go away and sit down and re-think exactly WHAT you are trying to test and WHY and then the answer to your question would reveal itself...

Sorry if you thought i was having a dig...

john

 

[a3]

Tarrantino - Please note your behaviour is not acceptable, you have been warned.

An apology to apprentice wouldn't go amiss either.

 

[Tarrantino]

John - sorry i fully understand the difference between the tests but its the tester thats completely confused me? All i was after was someone who has this specific tester or has used one. The reason being the first result was like 2.1 ohms and the other displayed 0.8 ohms, a big difference basically.

special location - thanks for that, its sort of explained it to me. Im guessing the first result is infact the Ze according to your link. as the second one is the line impedance

technician - if you could, it would be much appriciated

 

[apprentice87]

Hi Tarrantino,

Must admit i have had a look at the manual and it seems the tester thinks it can measure earth loop impedance and have a guess at line impedance all at the same time. Well, this is an impossibility, [unless you are on TNCS i suppose!] sooooo, i do not blame you for wondering what is happening...

Here is what the manual says;

"Note: A Line Impedance measurement is

automatically made as part of the Earth Loop

Impedance test. The Line Impedance

measurement (L-N) and Prospective Shortcircuit

Current (PSC) can be viewed by simply

pressing function key F1, without the need to

repeat the test."

Beyond me i am afraid!!!!!

john

 

[steptoe]

ah, so it simply means it does a 3wire test then, and measures L-N at the same time as L-E

 

[NozSpark]

But you can't take a PSCC reading at the sane tims as a PEFC reading

....well you can but its pointless