Zs and BS88 fuses

[Evans Electric]

I'm as Part Peed off as Chris on this one, struggling to earn a crust but these merchant bankers have no idea , " I know lets change the Regs again shall we "? " Get the mugs to shell out yet again " " And lets change the PIR to a different format ... then the stupid p r a t s will shell out again for the "Condition" stuff"

I'm sick and tired of it TBH

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Sooner we're out the better .

 

[Sidewinder]

Out of what Deke, this is not an EU thing it is a global IEC thing.

 

[Chri5]

haha.

International electrotechnical commision. What a load of crap. I've been all over the world mate and I can tell you that 90% of countries don't give a toss about standards of any kind. If you switch something on and it works that's good enough. I've got photo's of a shower in in south america with no RCD and the mcb INSIDE the shower cubicle completely open to the spray. I even took a shower in it myself!

I'm not saying that it should be like that but we're going way over the top with all these updates. How can an a maximum earth loop value change from one day to the next? 30/12/11 to 1/1/12 for example. The IET are living in cuckoo land. If we have to do all our calcs on 230 volts now why are all our premises getting 245 volts? Did you see my post about what I saw in going on in France just a couple of months ago?

I've had a few beers by the way so I'm ranting but tbh I really do believe that there are people who's job it is to change the rules and if they stop changing them they'll be out of work. They have no choice but to keep "improving" the standards.

Lol

that's the john smiths fueled rant over.

Good night

 

[Evans Electric]

Out of what Deke, this is not an EU thing it is a global IEC thing.

OK! I thought the EU was pushing our committees to keep changing all this stuff and we were the only ones following orders .

How come they didn't get it sorted at the start?

Thing is a new set of regs shows up the previous edition and makes it immediately outdated.

Like the 14th , must bond gas & water with 6mm then suddenly thats no good got to be 10mm at least.

Meter tails always 16mm then OMG!! We're connecting them to 100A fuses, Quick everyone change to 25mm.

OMG!!! This fusewire is no good ,takes 1/2 hour to blow, stop selling them and everyone change to HRCs & MCBs.

OMG!!! People are using power tools in the garden .... start fitting RCDs

OMG!!! People are going into bathrooms and getting wet ... we must start bonding all the pipes together.

OMG!!! Thats not good enough ...all bathroom electrics must be connected to an RCD.

Oh Look!!! Everyone knows we bond water pipes where they enter the premises, so lets let the plumbers fit plastic fittings everywhere to make it a total waste of time .

OMG!!!! I don't believe it!!! Electricians have been running cables just below the plaster , which can easily be located with a detector, we can't have this , they must be sunk 2" deep in the walls or have an RCD on them.

OMG!!! Look how dangerous it is in a domestic kitchen , there are plugs in there and erm... well plugs ... Oh and theres a light on the ceiling... OOooo and theres a jelly ....no one should be allowed to work in here unless they join the Competence Club ..it won't cost them much .

Oh I know ... you know how we always have the colours on industrial isolators ... so RED shows when its OFF and GREEN shows when its ON ...... weeeellll Hows about we reverse that and not tell anyone .... it is the 1960s after all .

Oh and you know how we have about ten different types of threads on screws and bolts ........ its a little bit silly is't it ? 'bout time we went metric do you not think? It is the 1970s after all. We don't want to look silly.

Oh and while we're at it , the money system..... now lets see , what have we got :-

4 x Farthings = 1 Penny

2 x Farthings = a halfpenny

2 x halfpennies = 1 Penny

6 Pennies = a Tanner

2 x Tanners = a Bob

A Bob is a Shilling

2 x shillings = a Florin

A 2&6 piece = half a dollar

20 shillings =

 

[Chri5]

Nice rant.

It's a pity nobody is listening to us mate.

 

[SteveT]

borrow the guide off somebody and rewrite or copy the relevant changes yourself.What does it matter if the number system has changed as long as the work done is compliant.

all well and good but for

 

[andy_spark]

I spent

 

[Technician]

I did hear recently about the electrocution of some very expensive

American troops in Afghan. They died in showers and because of

the loss of so many troops that were expensive to train, Brit sparkies

were called upon to wire the showers up correctly.

I think this reflects Sidewinder's observations.

The story had a very limited circulation.

 

[Nicky Tesla]

Amendment 1 of BS7671 17th Edition Wiring Regulations | Electrician's Blog

Most of this doesnot concern me in my line of work ie domestic/commercial, so i will just copy the relevant stuff. It will take about 1 hour thats all

 

[NozSpark]

Just ordered my copy of Amd 1 and the OSG..... eventually

Just put your hand in your pocket and buy a copy

 

[ProDave]

Thing is a new set of regs shows up the previous edition and makes it immediately outdated.

Like the 14th , must bond gas & water with 6mm then suddenly thats no good got to be 10mm at least.

Meter tails always 16mm then OMG!! We're connecting them to 100A fuses, Quick everyone change to 25mm.

...

End of rant.

You missed out the change of wire colours. you know the ones that means a colour previously used as a phase colour is now used for neutral, and a colour previously used as neutral, is now a phase colour :coat

 

[steptoe]

Amendment 1 of BS7671 17th Edition Wiring Regulations | Electrician's BlogMost of this doesnot concern me in my line of work ie domestic/commercial, so i will just copy the relevant stuff. It will take about 1 hour thats all

you what?!

FFS man, or should that be BOY, as in a ranch hand type of way?

it all concerns you,!

firstly,

I'm not 100% on this but I'm pretty certain that you are required to have a copy of the current regulations before you are considered to be competent to carry out works,

OK, so thats not the proper wording, and the facts of competence have been debated many times, but if you are working to some hand written/typed notes, they wont stand you in very good stead, will they?!

whats my next point?

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You missed out the change of wire colours. you know the ones that means a colour previously used as a phase colour is now used for neutral, and a colour previously used as neutral, is now a phase colour :coat

I think you will find Dave that Phases have been shut down in the UK nowadays,

all the generators and power stations providing phases at 240 or 415 volts have been decomissioned and loads more built that now make electricity at a more usable 230 or 400v LINE ,

so all previous equipment that was manufactured to work on a 240/415 phase voltage must now be replaced at great expense to stuff that will operate on 230 or 400v LINE,

I really need to get this old 9kW shower changed now its only a 8.4 (or whatever!?)

headbang

 

[Nicky Tesla]

I'm not 100% on this but I'm pretty certain that you are required to have a copy of the current regulations before you are considered to be competent to carry out works,

Im not, the firm i work for may have to, but not me BOY