Sharpend
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Sorry to say but it will be a sad sad day when ICE production stops.
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I'm not sure that will happen. I think reality and maybe public pressure will kick in eventually, but damage will already have been done by discouraging research and development into better, cleaner machines.
Think how much the technology improved over the last few decades;
Emphasis should have been on continuing that development, NOT banning the type of engine which has served the last century so well.
I might well by a new car just before that happens..
Sharpend
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I’m toying with that idea too. A new van and car for ‘er in doors.
I can't help wondering what will happen if the hard cut-off date is imposed:
Very expensive ICE vehicles, as everyone wants a new one whilst available?
Cheap vehicles, because they have to be sold by the witching hour?
Subsequently, good used vehicle values escalating?
Punitive taxation on fuel, road tax, etc?
Very expensive ICE vehicles, as everyone wants a new one whilst available?
Cheap vehicles, because they have to be sold by the witching hour?
Subsequently, good used vehicle values escalating?
Punitive taxation on fuel, road tax, etc?
You are very selective about what you want to believe and what you don't.
It's in the public domain about child labour being used to mine for cobalt.
Not merely a YouTube video or someone on some social media shite
Sharpend
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They are not being used for slave labour for mining they are merely being educated on the periodic table, haven’t you noticed it’s different classes of children each term!
when that happens, how am I supposed to chill my whisky ?
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Your choice, but you'd better be prepared to pay through the nose for petrol/diesel . . . Assuming you can get it at all by then - it only takes a few law changes to ban the fuel altogether except for critical uses. A bit like red diesel today - governments can force these issues. Of course, there would likely be rioting in the streets - and we're already seeing this start to happen - but that's what happens with population overload, resource shortages and environmental destruction. It's a slow death (or at least radical change) of society - so slow that we don't really notice, but things ain't getting better are they? Are our kids really better off than we are, like we were better off than our parents?
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The danger is if we stop using a worldwide commodity like oil and rely on ‘environmentally’ friendly sources and parts of the rest of the world don’t then we are sitting ducks
Just be grateful we’re not in parts of Australia where they are asking people to switch off their lights
Yet.Just be grateful we’re not in parts of Australia where they are asking people to switch off their lights
but breaking from the likes of Russia, Saudi Arabia and the other oil suppliers is probably a good idea, as resources dwindle, then they will no longer be able to have us 'over a barrell'.
actually you are correct, I had forgotten about the illegal mining activity in the Congo, although the it's the big mines that supply most of the Cobalt. There's also potential issues with some of the Lithium mining with regards to using shed loads of water. Both good reasons to go hydrogen.
the elephant in the room - population. I was listening to the Pakistan minister for population control aon the radio a few years ago. He had worked out the best way to limit population was the emancipation of women. Educate them, get them into good jobs and they have far less kids and delay having children to later in life.
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The question is when is it likely to dwindle? Not before we are expected to go all ‘green’. So leaves us in a more vulnerable position as most of our green energy sources are owned by everyone bar us.
It's already dwindling, or at least the easy to get oil is, hence the dreadful shale oil extraction in Canada. As for ownership, it's the sort of thing I believe should owned and run by ourselves, instead of effectively renting everything from the private sector.
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Actually range is still very limited -vs- ICE..
The problem with your rather poor statistical analysis is that it basically only covers the bulk of the population commuting to or from work Mon-to-Fri... which obviously is the majority by quantity.. e.g. 10 journeys during the week.. and most people probably live within 10-15miles max of their regular workplace if commute by car..
But when you factor in what a lot of people actually like to do in their leisure time.. (such as at the weekend, maybe 2 or 4 journeys -vs- the 10 to and from work)..
e.g. Taking a family day trip out to a recommended beauty spot, festival, concert, charity fund-raising event, shopping trip, etc.. etc.. etc..
Visiting family & friends, for a special event, Birthday, Anniversary, Wedding, Funeral, Christmas, Easter, or just catching up because you haven't seen them for a long time because they don't live locally.. etc.. etc.. etc..
We have multiple family members living over 130+ miles round trip away from where we live!
Or an unforeseen emergency.. Someone taken ill or involved in an accident...
where you want to be there urgently without having to worry if the car is charged up enough to get there and get you back home afterwards...
Such as we had last year when a granddaughter was lost following premature birth..
One minute we were doing a bit of gardening... next minute jumping in the car to support our son and daughter-in-law!
It was bad enough worrying about your child loosing their first child..
Last thing you need is also worrying if the car can get you where you need to be and back home.
In our case needing 130+ miles urgent non-planed range!
(Not forgetting that In less than 10mins I can get around 600+ mile range added to our current car).
The reality is that EV's are a great solution to the regular mundane local trips to work or weekly shopping..
But once you factor in what a lot of people like to do in their leisure time with family and friends they are somewhere between a dubious to piss-poor solution..
Unless you are someone with loads of spare time on your hands to wait around for charging..
Then EV's are still very impractical for a lot of "normal" situations..
Plus there have been quite a few cases quoted in the press recently of people being penalised for overstaying max parking durations,
whilst waiting to re-charge at shops and/or service stations..
Basically the national infrastructure is nowhere near what is needed if there was a major change from ICE to EV..
EV's are still a luxury for a select minority..
This is the biggest conundrum, if you can't afford 2 vehicles, ie EV for local trips and ICE for further afield, it's a bit of a nightmare. And lots of families are struggling to run one car, with countryside dwelling poorer people having no choice but to run a car to get kids to school/ go to work etc.
As I've said before, I do think the government is completely missing the possibilities that electric bicycles and scooters offer, especially for those that commute across cities.
Personally I think that Hybrids are/should be a niche market, however loads of people have bought them to dip their toe in the EV market and are not getting a true experience.
My BEV currently costs 6p/mile , and that’s with being on a standard variable rate tariff if 24p/kWh…… so while you get 40 miles for close on £8.50, I can get the same range for £2.40 (that’s equivalent to 140 mpg)
