Bedroom Into A Kitchen

[ProDave]

Installing is defined as work. To do work on a gas appliance you must be competent. If something goes wrong, you would be responsible.

I get loads of calls around xmas asking to install a new cooker, and people just assume it is a quick job to just connect it up to the existing bayonet. But the hose must be u-shaped and not touch the floor, security chain, clearances above and to sides, gas rates, check functioning of FSDs etc. It is a busy time of year anyway.

That's a politicians answer.

Yes or no?

 

[Essex1]

A little knowledge......................

 

[Rob_the_rich]

That's a politicians answer.

Yes or no?

Yes.

 

[steptoe]

so,

what that says is,

I can unplug my cooker to clean behind it,

but,

I must get a gas safe person to plug it back in?

and I thought our regs were fkin stupid.!! :shakehead

 

[Essex1]

It does not say that at all.

 

[steptoe]

Im not getting into an argument, I dont know the regs, and dont much care for them, Im a spark, not a gasman,

but, I thought on the previous post it said you can disconnect a cooker, but to connect one is an install so must be done by gas safe.? :C

 

[Lurch]

I thought on the previous post it said you can disconnect a cooker, but to connect one is an install so must be done by gas safe.? :C

you do not need to be "competent" to plug/unplug a cooker into a bayonet fitting. So that people can move the appliance to clean behind. Both ends are self-sealing. But this is not the same as "installing" a cooker.

 

[steptoe]

so if I unplug my old cooker, clean behind it, and get a new cooker?  :C

 

[Lurch]

so if I unplug my old cooker, clean behind it, and get a new cooker?  :C

It needs installing.

 

[steptoe]

thats what I meant,

about as good as our regs then in some places,  :shakehead

 

[NozSpark]

The disconnection/reconnection (at the same location) of a self-sealing appliance

connector following installation is not deemed ‘gas work’ and therefore may be

carried out by a non-registered person(s), for example when a home owner

temporarily removes the cooker when cleaning.

From here https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjpg6rP_9nJAhUGcRQKHZbQD6cQFghMMAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hse.gov.uk%2Flau%2Flacs%2F33-6.htm&usg=AFQjCNHtDSriFxpUdRYZwk2SLdHXYgaqlw

 

[Rob_the_rich]

installing an appliance is connecting and preparing it for first time use at a location. Disconnecting and subsequently reconnecting the same appliance, using a bayonet fitting, at the same location is not the same as installing it for the first time.

Perhaps I am not explaining it well enough.

 

[NozSpark]

installing an appliance is connecting and preparing it for first time use at a location. Disconnecting and subsequently reconnecting the same appliance, using a bayonet fitting, at the same location is not the same as installing it for the first time.

Exactly what the link says,,,, although it does go on to say that the re-made bayonet joint should be checked for leaks with a leak detecting spray

 

[Rob_the_rich]

Exactly what the link says,,,, although it does go on to say that the re-made bayonet joint should be checked for leaks with a leak detecting spray

yeah I posted before I saw it. But the link refers to people who are employed to do work, and therefore have responsibilities. Homeowners have no such responsibilities other than if they smell gas, they are encouraged to phone 0800 111 999.

 

[ProDave]

I think he's saying you must get a gas safe man to "install" a new cooker.

There are two bits to "installing" a new cooker, plugging in the gas hose, and screwing that silly bracket to the wall to clip a chain to.

Obviously a lay man is not capable of screwing a bracket to a wall so it needs a highly trained gas safe man to do it.

Once said bracket is installed, you can remove and re fit your cooker yourself as many times as you want to without need of qualifications.

Have I summarised it correctly?   :coat :run

 

[Essex1]

I think he's saying you must get a gas safe man to "install" a new cooker.

There are two bits to "installing" a new cooker, plugging in the gas hose, and screwing that silly bracket to the wall to clip a chain to.

Obviously a lay man is not capable of screwing a bracket to a wall so it needs a highly trained gas safe man to do it.

Once said bracket is installed, you can remove and re fit your cooker yourself as many times as you want to without need of qualifications.

Have I summarised it correctly?   :coat :run

That is exactly as I understood it.

 

[Rob_the_rich]

I think he's saying you must get a gas safe man to "install" a new cooker.

There are two bits to "installing" a new cooker, plugging in the gas hose, and screwing that silly bracket to the wall to clip a chain to.

Obviously a lay man is not capable of screwing a bracket to a wall so it needs a highly trained gas safe man to do it.

Once said bracket is installed, you can remove and re fit your cooker yourself as many times as you want to without need of qualifications.

Have I summarised it correctly?   :coat :run

Installing is defined as work. The regs state that immediately after any work is done they must examine a; the effectiveness of any flue, b; the supply of combustion air, c; its operating pressure or heat input or, where necessary, both and d; its operation so as to insure its safe functioning.This is where the competency comes in.

If the manufacturers instructions only state "plug in attached hose and screw bracket to the wall", and the regs are complied with by a competent person, then that is all. But new cookers do not come supplied with hoses and MIs have a few more requirements than just those two