certificate training

[the_mouse]

is there anyone who offer training in filling out certificates, either one to one or remotely?

Filling in certs does seem to cause many people problems, myself included, especialy when changing a consumer unit.

thanks

mouse

p.s. im in North East Wales

 

[Apache]

What is the problem exactly?

Have you got a copy of the OSG? There are example filled in forms there.

 

[the_mouse]

The OSG and other publications that i have, all show perfect world scenarios. Some examples that give rise to confusion are; when changing a consumer unit an EIC needs to be issued, on the schedule of inspections does "routing of cables in prescribed zones" apply to the whole house or just the work you do, in this case the CCU change.

another example, i recently observed someone change a CCU and he replacement was a Volex dual RCD board, the rcd

 

[Zeespark]

Your first question is only covering the work you do, the one about circuits is normally starting at the main switch and moving back from there.

AndyGuinness

 

[Apache]

The OSG and other publications that i have, all show perfect world scenarios. Some examples that give rise to confusion are; when changing a consumer unit an EIC needs to be issued, on the schedule of inspections does "routing of cables in prescribed zones" apply to the whole house or just the work you do, in this case the CCU change.another example, i recently observed someone change a CCU and he replacement was a Volex dual RCD board, the rcd

 

[sparkytim]

It can be a bit confusing on numbering of circuit nuetrals and CPCs, many makes of Consumer Units do not tie up right.

I always number the MCBS/RCBOs from main switch and keep Nuetrals and CPCs in order to match even if the numbering on there respective bars do not match up.

 

[Lurch]

Numbers are numbers wherever they are. If there are no numbers on the bars do it in order. If there are numbers and you order them according to somethign other than the numbers then I would class as incorrect.

 

[300TDI]

I always put as much information as i can in the "Extent of installation covered by this certificate" box

That way it saves confusion, and describes exactly what works you certify

 

[steptoe]

if the neutral/earth bar is number in opposition to the natural order of MCBs I usually remove the numbers and connect in a logical pattern.

 

[wozz]

is there anyone who offer training in filling out certificates, either one to one or remotely?Filling in certs does seem to cause many people problems, myself included, especialy when changing a consumer unit.

thanks

mouse

p.s. im in North East Wales

id say the 2391 is a good start.

 

[the_mouse]

Thanks for your input, all comments taken on board, maybe what I

 

[m4tty]

Them certs look good mate. Where did you get them from if you dont mind me asking?

At the bottom of your last sheet. Your tester serial number needs to be entered but maybe you n/a'd it as its on public forum?

Cheers

 

[the_mouse]

Them certs look good mate. Where did you get them from if you dont mind me asking?At the bottom of your last sheet. Your tester serial number needs to be entered but maybe you n/a'd it as its on public forum?

Cheers

The certs are Tysoft easycert, the serial number was removed being on a public forum.

 

[steptoe]

I'll start at page

1

position- owner,

surely something like proprietor would sound more professional.?

page

2

have you actually seen the overcurrent protective device? or do you have it in writing as to what it is? you have stated on a legal document that you know what it is as a fact.

U = does not equal 240v, never has.

double or reinforced insulation = N/A are you sure? at the very least what about the tails? or any pendants you may have (class II fittings remember)

fire barriers etc = N/A again this wouldnt be an N/A , imm htr with HR flex for example, at the least you would have to make it a limitation

page

3

why is the shower 5s disconnection?

just a few things to ponder,

not meant in a bad way, just food for thought.

HTH

 

[Lurch]

Nominal voltages seem very nicely rounded off. Have you actually tested these?

 

[Manator]

In reply to the above, the position box on any certificate would relate to your trade position, electrician, qualified supervisor and so on. This would lend weight to the authorised signiture

 

[steptoe]

In reply to the above, the position box on any certificate would relate to your trade position, electrician, qualified supervisor and so on. This would lend weight to the authorised signiture

well spotted Manator,

the certs I use actually require a second signature which would I suppose be for that purpose,

yes, a professional position would be I think the only acceptable thing for that box.

 

[the_mouse]

I'll start at page1

position- owner,

surely something like proprietor would sound more professional.?

page

2

have you actually seen the overcurrent protective device? or do you have it in writing as to what it is? you have stated on a legal document that you know what it is as a fact.

good point, the suppliers protective device was not checked because there was an isolation switch, would it be a good idea to note it as not verified in box 7 page 1 comments on existing installation

U = does not equal 240v, never has.

that was inserted automaticaly by the sofware shall see if can be altered

double or reinforced insulation = N/A are you sure? at the very least what about the tails? or any pendants you may have (class II fittings remember)

Again good point and duley noted

fire barriers etc = N/A again this wouldnt be an N/A , imm htr with HR flex for example, at the least you would have to make it a limitation

noted

page

3

why is the shower 5s disconnection?

thats my fault, this was an install which i observed and noted test results for cert filling practice, i originally thought the shower circuit was in 10mm t&e on a 40 A MCB, i since learned that it was actualy 6mm on a 32A MCB i just forgot to amend that column when i edited

just a few things to ponder,

not meant in a bad way, just food for thought.

HTH

Many thanks for looking apreciate your input

mouse

 

[the_mouse]

Nominal voltages seem very nicely rounded off. Have you actually tested these?

I was under the impression that it was declared values not actual in this case, but as always i stand to be corrected

 

[tom1]

Nominal voltages seem very nicely rounded off. Have you actually tested these?

single phase supplies U and Uo are 230, i did not think you were surposed to record measured values