World War 3 anyone ????
Civil Airplane Downed Allegedly By Russian Missile
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It won't be long!
probably not far from it
I heard the other week that the size of the British Army is down to the size of the crowd at an England match at Wembly . 
Sometimes I think how close are we ... since we stopped ruling the world Britain still cannot keep it's nose out of other's affairs ...but on saying that ...attacking civil airplanes is an international disgrace .
What was it to start WW1 ? Assasinate some Archduke no one ever heard of in Yugoslavia and next thing theres thousands dying on the Somme etc.
Russia only reacts to a show of united force however ...Churchill knew that as did Reagan & Mrs Thatcher.
Sometimes I think how close are we ... since we stopped ruling the world Britain still cannot keep it's nose out of other's affairs ...but on saying that ...attacking civil airplanes is an international disgrace .
What was it to start WW1 ? Assasinate some Archduke no one ever heard of in Yugoslavia and next thing theres thousands dying on the Somme etc.
Russia only reacts to a show of united force however ...Churchill knew that as did Reagan & Mrs Thatcher.
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A mate is RAF an was part of the team responsible for breaking down the perfectly good Harrier fleet and crating & sending to the Yanks for a song (£29M was it?). Said it broke his heart. To have been working on the things one day and not the next etc. Reckons the jets along with the spares will keep the Yanks going for years. Could have used them on that new carrier if the F-35 gets delayed............
No, It was shot be a missile allegedly supplied by the Russians,
Much like most of the brits killed in Afghan were shot by guns supplied by the yanks.
Go figure......
Much like most of the brits killed in Afghan were shot by guns supplied by the yanks.
Go figure......
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And years before that the Russian helicopters there getting taken out by American supplied Stingers fired by Mujahadeen & trained by the British SAS!
Don't remember the Americans getting as much stick when they shot down the Iranian airliner which was I believe in Iranian airspace in the the eighties.......200 odd dead then. Think they said the commander of the ship made a mistake. They said sorry though! These people seem to have short memories when it suits.
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Whilst I am not decrying the things that have gone on in the past, nor am I supporting them.
Technology and expectations move on.
In the same way it seems celebs thought it seemed to be OK to "kiddie fiddle" in the past, whist that was never acceptable in my, or many others eyes, the same as "drink driving" was OK, the same as using a mobile hand held whist driving used to be OK.
Expectations and what is considered acceptable change, and in this day and age, there is no excuse for shooting down a civilian airliner.
The ID beacon would have identified it as a civilian plane.
This was not apparently a hand held SAM, it was a vehicle mounted probably computer controlled launcher, which I suspect was capable of reading the planes beacon, so...
Technology and expectations move on.
In the same way it seems celebs thought it seemed to be OK to "kiddie fiddle" in the past, whist that was never acceptable in my, or many others eyes, the same as "drink driving" was OK, the same as using a mobile hand held whist driving used to be OK.
Expectations and what is considered acceptable change, and in this day and age, there is no excuse for shooting down a civilian airliner.
The ID beacon would have identified it as a civilian plane.
This was not apparently a hand held SAM, it was a vehicle mounted probably computer controlled launcher, which I suspect was capable of reading the planes beacon, so...
All said and done, it does not matter how computerised the hardware is, if you have a half trained village idiot on the trigger collateral (another fine americanisim for we ****ed up) damage is sure to happen.
Once fired the missile is dumb as ****, itll follow the heat/mass signature or lazer cone untill its proximity trigger fires.
Once fired the missile is dumb as ****, itll follow the heat/mass signature or lazer cone untill its proximity trigger fires.
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Piece in The Times yesterday that the system used should have been operating two radars but that possibly the ID one was missing. Secondly that they meant to hit a Ukranian transport plane flying nearby but the "system" took over and hit the 777. I also think the Ukranians had suggested to the airline companies to fly above 32000ft. Some companies were avoiding the route altogether but others still using it to save fuel. Small comfort when these missile systems are good for 70000ft.
My cousin was a policeman who had the unfortunate task of scouring the countryside for "debris" after the Lockerbie incident. Saw some horrible things and not been right since then tbh, psychiatric issues, alcoholism, affair, divorce etc.
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