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[PC Electrics]

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[PC Electrics]

i have left my friends house, i will try and get him to send me a copy over, or i will most certainly get a copy over the next couple of days,

So you've left your friend with an unsafe installation without doing anything? When I said "toute de suite", I meant "NOW"

i have left my friends house, i will try and get him to send me a copy over, or i will most certainly get a copy over the next couple of days,

Come on, strike while the iron is hot. We're all here eager to see it, we'll be on to something else in a couple of days!

 

[m4tty]

There's no way he's nic registered and installing bs3036 boards ffs lol. Crazy

 

[Lee321]

he may have been assessed. we don't know if he passed.

if he got the 3036 board new i wonder if they sell texan bars too :slap

 

[Andy™]

i hope he picked a better job than this for assessment

 

[batty]

There's no way he's nic registered and installing bs3036 boards ffs lol. Crazy

That is not strictly true you could have two Rcd's in enclosures with two wylex standard boards with 3036 fuses and that would comply with regs not likely to be done but could with no problems.

 

[switch10]

no he never recieved a part p compliance certificate. second of all he supplied the board himself as he had one lying around which he picked up some years ago.

sparks was only there to connect earthing etc for boiler up and said fuse holders were rotten and falling to bits or something. and he would need to get a fuseboard, so he showed him the featured fusebox and the sparks fitted it there and then for him.

to be honest im trying not to get to involved with this, as he should never of got a gas engineer to do this for him. especially when the lighting was on 2 radials, and nare now connected to 1 single fuse.

the sparks didnt even connect the earth to the earth rod correctly after disconnecting it for whatever reason. all i am doing is drafting a letter for him to send to the person responsible. will post a copy of the letter here shortly for anyone to comment/add there comments as they see fit.

 

[switch10]

Ok guys, time to drag this back up. My friend has now recieved communication from the installer of the fuseboard, he was not assessed, however it was a supervisor of the company who turned up at the job and decided all was ok as installed. he neither is qualified . They have offered to foot the bill to put things right, in which i believe when my friend returns from holiday he will agree with this.

so therefore he will have a consumer unit changed to include rcd, however i need some advice, as someone pointed out there was an very old earth leakage switch next to the panel, what should this now be replaced with in order to comply?

going to squeeze as much as possible out of the person who done this job in order to get my friends property upto the best possible.

 

[PC Electrics]

So, is this 'company' a member of the NIC or not?

 

[Lurch]

so therefore he will have a consumer unit changed to include rcd, however i need some advice, as someone pointed out there was an very old earth leakage switch next to the panel, what should this now be replaced with in order to comply?

Without seeing the job there may be things that would sway me towards something else but from looking at the pics and reading the associated comments I would probably fit a 4 way CU with main switch and 2 or 3 RCBO's as required. I'd more than likely allow for a new rod as well.

Was the lighting on 2 circuits before or are there just 2 wires in the same fuseway? If the latter then borrowed neutrals are always a concern.

 

[Andy™]

Ok guys, time to drag this back up. My friend has now recieved communication from the installer of the fuseboard, he was not assessed, however it was a supervisor of the company who turned up at the job and decided all was ok as installed. he neither is qualified . They have offered to foot the bill to put things right, in which i believe when my friend returns from holiday he will agree with this.so therefore he will have a consumer unit changed to include rcd, however i need some advice, as someone pointed out there was an very old earth leakage switch next to the panel, what should this now be replaced with in order to comply?

going to squeeze as much as possible out of the person who done this job in order to get my friends property upto the best possible.

either remove ELCB completely, or change to an isolator

 

[Evans Electric]

As the others have said , the job,s not good really. We were removing Voltage operated trips before the Boar War TBH. Dump it and the Wylex rewirable and fit an MCB board with RCDs .

 

[steptoe]

[quote name='Andy

 

[PC Electrics]

[quote name='Andy

 

[Badger]

why dont we just go the whole hog and rewire the property at the same time :^O :^O :coat :run

 

[muffin]

very easy to shoot the guy down, but if he looked at the db and it was in an unsafe condition. then id expect he raised this with the customer. the customer then produces a db and from the test form he fitted it on a temp basis. the voltage trip has always been there. he has not made it worse leaving it there. and they are better than a db on tt with out any form of trip.

im not defending the job being left but in the real world needs must, i have recently had a similar job where an elderly gent knocks my door sunday morning with no sockets working. after a bit of searching find the fuseholder faulty. the spring in side the db had snapped off. no spare ways so double up two rings onto one fuse. i went back asap and upgrade the db and earthing as all good sparks would. but should another spark had seen it then im sure they could have told a similar story as the op.

 

[steptoe]

my major objection to this is the voltage trip.

IMHO it is ILLEGAL,

although I know opinions on this vary wildly.

also, unless it was late on a sunday night then there is NO reason that NO RCD has been fitted,

or were the pics taken before 7am on a monday.?

if the install has been left in this state for more than a day(24hrs) then I would question as to why.

I can fully understand the reasoning as to why such instances may occur from time to time in the real world,

BUT,

I fail to understand as to why they are left like this.

the other main point to bear in mind is that to change a CU is notifiable,

whether in an emergency or not,

and in this case appears to NOT be an emergency, but more a convenience, a better solution would have been for the boilerman to fit a separate 1 way RCD protected unit with the necassary paperwork highlighting the unsafe nature of the original install.

 

[muffin]

the fact the customer had a db spare says to me the old one was falling apart or very obviously dangerous. i see what your saying about the v trip but its been there for years. the guy fits the new db and writes on the sheet it was done as an emergency measure e.g needs changing for the correct type ect. covering his rear end very slightly. i dont think this is one for rogue traders just a guy trying to help.

maybe i should not think the best of people.lol

 

[Andy™]

my major objection to this is the voltage trip.IMHO it is ILLEGAL,

although I know opinions on this vary wildly.

7671 is not law, so i cant see any way it can be 'illegal'. but i do agree it should not have been left like that.

even in case of emergency, i would not be fitting a board like that. but even if the sparky didnt have a full CU in his van ready to be installed, i would have expected an RCD & enclosure to be carried by just about decent sparky

 

[steptoe]

the fact the customer had a db spare says to me the old one was falling apart or very obviously dangerous. i see what your saying about the v trip but its been there for years. the guy fits the new db and writes on the sheet it was done as an emergency measure e.g needs changing for the correct type ect. covering his rear end very slightly. i dont think this is one for rogue traders just a guy trying to help.maybe i should not think the best of people.lol

agreed not one for rogue traders(well depending on his prices)

but deffo not one for the wall of fame either.

he really should have been back ASAP to make right IMO

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