CU swop pricing.

[green-hornet]

From recent discussions with all relevent parties involved in electrical safety, and the apparent disregard for part p some local authorities are choosing to write to the general public on the requirement for electrical installations to be carried out to the current regulations.

It is now a fact that the insurance companies are now implementing new procedures where they can refuse a claim if there is no evidence that the electrical installation involved does not carry a current EIC or PIR.

Over the last 3 months I have seen a rise in companies who require a pir, and only for insurance purposes.

My labc are just pointing out that any electrical work involved comes under the requirements of part p in that it is notifiable and to get it done by an electrician and not the decorator.

 

[Apache]

From recent discussions with all relevent parties involved in electrical safety, and the apparent disregard for part p some local authorities are choosing to write to the general public on the requirement for electrical installations to be carried out to the current regulations.It is now a fact that the insurance companies are now implementing new procedures where they can refuse a claim if there is no evidence that the electrical installation involved does not carry a current EIC or PIR.

Over the last 3 months I have seen a rise in companies who require a pir, and only for insurance purposes.

My labc are just pointing out that any electrical work involved comes under the requirements of part p in that it is notifiable and to get it done by an electrician and not the decorator.

I take your point 100% Horny.

If it was my house i'd want it done properly but legally the decorator could do it if he wanted so long as got signed off by BCO?!

I can see there ought to be a system where you can do something in your own home and get it signed off in a legal manner - BUT it ought to be completely illegal to carry out electrical work for others without qualifications, insurance etc.

I can do gas work in my own house (we have no gas in the village,.........)

 

[jl-heating]

you cant do gas in your own home. btw

 

[Apache]

you cant do gas in your own home. btw

I'm fairly sure you can?!

You could with Corgi. Any gas work done for other people or financial gain was illegal.

The gas safe register site doesn't say it's illegal to do DIY gas work, only that it's dangerous.

:|

 

[Apache]

From the gas safe register's website

By law, from 1 April, only Gas Safe registered engineers should be employed to carry out work on gas installations or appliances

The critical word is employed

 

[jl-heating]

regs state you have to be competent to work on any gas fitting.

competence is stated as ACS and the modules reg to work on the fitting..

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090218063643AAaGyzQ

 

[Apache]

regs state you have to be competent to work on any gas fitting. competence is stated as ACS and the modules reg to work on the fitting..

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090218063643AAaGyzQ

on the link more people say yes it's ok than no?!

 

[jl-heating]

i just looked again i guess as ever its a grey area .. lol..

much like electrics people do stuff in there own home and dont test there work .. gas is the same i guess..

 

[Apache]

i just looked again i guess as ever its a grey area .. lol..much like electrics people do stuff in there own home and dont test there work .. gas is the same i guess..

I think gas work has far more potential for danger than electrical. I will mess about with electricity quite happily (and IMO safely), but would never touch gas. Ever. Most I have done is relight the boiler.

:|

To a point we should all be able to do what we want in our own homes - so long as we don't harm others.

 

[green-hornet]

Key words here for Gas and Electrics is competant.

This is an open criteria for the adverage Joe to escape prosecution.

Part P does not work, because the general public are unaware of its exsistance.

Corgi to a degree works, in so far as the general public are aware of its exsistance but totally ignorant in its application.

Example

New boiler required, customer asks " are you corgi registered?" fitter replies "yes we are fully approved to fit a new boiler"

Boiler fitted customer happy with cheap quote, but left with no cert, just like any electrical connection required to power the boiler.

First we have to educate the general public on the dangers

secondly we have to have full backing from our scheme providers

thirdly we need total commitment from government to apply the full extent of the law

fourthly we need local authorities to be more involved in the application process and inform the public of the responsibilities placed on them to do it right/

And lastly we need all insurance companies to request a full PIR or current EIC or a Gas Safe certificate. before approving any insurance policy on buildings or contents.

That may deter the peter bloody pans from doing the dodgy insulation tape jb's.

 

[binky]

but would have to say most DI`s are not worth a second look. i am sure your work is great and the fact that you are on an electrical forum like me shows that you do want to learn ..

Going full Electrical Contractor soon - opens up doors etc etc, but even as a DI for the last 3 years, I find I quite often know more than sparks who have never done any other job, as you say its about the willingness to learn.

 

[jl-heating]

exactly m8.

 

[Theorysparky]

From the gas safe register's websiteThe critical word is employed

the 'should' implies you dont have to..........

'must' should have been used

me thinks

 

[jl-heating]

Going full Electrical Contractor soon - opens up doors etc etc, but even as a DI for the last 3 years, I find I quite often know more than sparks who have never done any other job, as you say its about the willingness to learn.

how exactly do u go down the approved route binky,

thanks

 

[Apache]

how exactly do u go down the approved route binky, thanks

McGaw's just gone through it, see this thread

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4036

from the horses mouth

http://niceic.org.uk/en/contractor/article.asp?SECTION=15&ARTICLE=6