Do I Need To Burn My Clothes?

[Blue Duck]

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[Sidewinder]

OK, then you are F****D, you broke the law, unless you are employed?

 

[Blue Duck]

OK, then you are F****D, you broke the law, unless you are employed?

I am employed by a charity working with elderly / disabled how am I f*****d?

 

[ProDave]

OK, then you are F****D, you broke the law, unless you are employed?

But if nobody told him it was asbestos, and it's hidden by the ceiling tiles, HOW was he supposed to know it was asbestos?

Guilty m'lud of not having X ray vision, or a portable mass spectrometer.

 

[Sidewinder]

You aren't now, I thought you were self employed/owner director of your own Ltd. Co. when I posted earlier.

Sorry.

Your employer has committed a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment for the person responsible for tasking you with the work and the person responsible for H&S in the company, probably a Director.

They are legally responsible under both statute and civil law for your safety, and they have breached both points and also they have exposed anyone else using the property to asbestos.

They have breached CAWR.

So the "tennants" "own" the property, or is it rented?

If it is rented, then your employer has some "recompense" on the property owner.

This is VERY SERIOUS s**t, HSE would "love" this, under FFI, then this would be a gold mine for them, and at least two prosecutions!

But if nobody told him it was asbestos, and it's hidden by the ceiling tiles, HOW was he supposed to know it was asbestos?

Guilty m'lud of not having X ray vision, or a portable mass spectrometer.

This is a difficult situation PD, the STATUTE law requires that ANYONE who COULD be exposed to working with ACM's is adequately trained.

If they are then they MUST be able to identify ACM's prior to work.

No need for X-Ray vision or mass spectrometers.

There MUST be no ACM's present, and this MUST be certified, else, they are, and suitable precautions MUST be taken.

End Of.

 

[Richard-the-Ninth]

How is this serious? please explain.

 

[Blue Duck]

Ok so now you got me sh***ing it 

You can't possibly know what is under something?

thanks 

can someone say something reassuring now please?

 

[ProDave]

You aren't now, I thought you were self employed/owner director of your own Ltd. Co. when I posted earlier.

Sorry.

Your employer has committed a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment for the person responsible for tasking you with the work and the person responsible for H&S in the company, probably a Director.

They are legally responsible under both statute and civil law for your safety, and they have breached both points and also they have exposed anyone else using the property to asbestos.

They have breached CAWR.

So the "tennants" "own" the property, or is it rented?

If it is rented, then your employer has some "recompense" on the property owner.

This is VERY SERIOUS s**t, HSE would "love" this, under FFI, then this would be a gold mine for them, and at least two prosecutions!

This is a difficult situation PD, the STATUTE law requires that ANYONE who COULD be exposed to working with ACM's is adequately trained.

If they are then they MUST be able to identify ACM's prior to work.

No need for X-Ray vision or mass spectrometers.

There MUST be no ACM's present, and this MUST be certified, else, they are, and suitable precautions MUST be taken.

End Of.

Yes indeed it IS a very serious matter.

So am I committing any offences?

I'm self employed, working in people's houses and some industrial.

But I have no training in asbestos matters.

If I encounter a job that I think might contain asbestos, I decline the job.

So am I guilty?  Do we ALL need to do asbestos courses?  Should that be a requirement for ANYONE working on buildings?

 

[Sidewinder]

Yes you are breaking the law under CAWR, and yes it is already a statute law requirement that ANYONE working on buildings is adequately trained.

 

[Richard-the-Ninth]

Yes you are breaking the law under CAWR, and yes it is already a statute law requirement that ANYONE working on buildings is adequately trained.

Could you please point out which part he is breaking?

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Useful guidance....

Drilling boards.....

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a1.pdf

Drilling textured ceilings..........

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/a26.pdf

other stuff here...

http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/essentials/#a2

Guinness

 

[Evans Electric]

Ok so now you got me sh***ing it 

You can't possibly know what is under something?

thanks 

can someone say something reassuring now please?

Ducky ,  if theres dust on your clothing , I'd bag them up and dump them ,   Many of us must have been exposed to this $hyte over the years .   The worst case senario is a guy working with it day after day , cutting, drilling , causing dust .  

A skip man once told us he took a sealed skip in to the proper place ,  they bury it he said , there was a bloke driving a JCB shovelling the stuff around , no protection whatsoever.

 

[steptoe]

when my local tip was open I rang and asked if they took assy, I had about 4foot of flue in my loft from prev owner,

'yes, we have a skip for it'

I double bagged it and took it to tip, opened the skip and saw loads of it just threw in and smashed all around,

those guys were mega surprised to see I had it all bagged up.! 

Ok so now you got me sh***ing it 

You can't possibly know what is under something?

thanks 

can someone say something reassuring now please?

see post  #10

 

[Blue Duck]

Thanks Special location, Evans & steps- I have read nearly all those hse docs and they made me more worried lol

There was no dust or broken board but jus moving the stuff is bad that is if the cables contain ACM.

I will dispose of the clothing, a nice pair of snickers and a hoodie gone should have burnt them in the end ray

Our Plumber told me he was threatened by a manager that he'd loose his job if he didn't work in a boiler room that was lagged with the stuff and it was all flaking away he binned his work clothes and walked, some guys had been working there 30years + 

 

[Evans Electric]

I had it with one of the bathroom fitting compnies we did elects for .   Would often take the  fan duct to a 100mm hole in the soffitt of the eves .  Until one house had asbestos soffit board  .  Refused to drill it ,  told them to fit a vented tile in the roof , they didn't want to pay for that , wanted us to drill the asbestos .

You come to site and drill it then , we say.      Yeah like that going to happen.    We told the customer and left it with them .

Also had a request to remove a load of old style storage heaters from some offices .   Asked the makers if there was asbestos in them .....wouldn't comment .  We took that as a yes then .    Contacted a specialist firm for advice ...they quoted us £40 per heater back then ,  we disconnect them ..they would bag them and move them intact . 

You should beware as you could get pushed into working with it .  

 

[Blue Duck]

I would never intentionally work with the stuff, its never been my problem before and the 2hr course did little for my knowledge but hey, I sure have learned a lot about it tonight for which I am glad

Hopefully I wont get sued or mesothelioma

 

[steptoe]

I would never intentionally work with the stuff, its never been my problem before and the 2hr course did little for my knowledge but hey, I sure have learned a lot about it tonight for which I am glad

Hopefully I wont get sued or mesothelioma

start drinking,

maybe the alcoholism will get you first,!

thats my plan,  :|

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

Yesterday & today we have been working in a empty house to enable a 'satisfactory' result on an inspection, customer bought it last week and will be renting it to the council  with a 5 year lease. Last job was to disconnect a socket on a false fireplace as its wired in 1.5mm (badly). I ripped out an almost identical fireplace from my mums flat a few years back, same horrible electric fire with the red bulb  with a fan above that makes a flickering effect on the glass 'coals'. The black insert to the Victorian style surround was tin.  When i unscrewed this socket i was surprised to see this insert was asbestos, a couple of taps with the head of a screwdriver confirmed this along with the visible fibres on the rough hole under the socket.

Now, when are the police going to arrest me, the house owner, the previous owner, the occupier (owners son  'house sitting') my colleague & the council inspector who listed  the works needed ?

 

[Blue Duck]

Thanks for the reassurance slipper.

I have found out since that in the real world no one really cares there's even a skip at the local dump and you can do self testing from £10 etc.

There are no asbestos police but I will take the snakes comments on board and be more cautious in my approach where I suspect it may be present.

 

[Sidewinder]

BD,

I did appologise to you, I thought you were SE/Own Co. etc.

This is NOT YOUR FAULT.

Your employer is the one who has committed the criminal offence.

Look, asbestos kills.

Loads of members on here go off on a one about compliance with BS7671.

In comparison with compliance with CAWR, that is  like comparing chalk & cheese.

CAWR is STATUE LAW, HSE WILL prosecute.

Look it up.

Asbestos is DANGEROUS.

Your employer has a statute law duty to train you up to recognise this stuff and provide you with the resources to be safe, just the same as EAWR, PUWER98 etc.

You are WAY off with your statement that in the real world people don't care, the only ones who don't care are the ones who don't have to deal with it.

There may be a skip at the local dump, but that is NOT for business use, you are then moving into carriage of dangerous substances etc. etc.

You "may" be able to self test if you are DIY, but CAWR does not allow this.

PLEASE EVERYONE BE CAREFUL.

Do you know anyone who has suffered from this stuff?

If you do, it will change your attitude, trust me.

Think cancer, how random that is and how devastating this can be, this stuff can do the same.

Come on Hill St Blues Moment PLEASE!!!