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Last week I finished a job off which was to put some lighting in a room where the current (very old) flurescent fitting had failed.

The ceiling was a "paint treated" asbestos and was labeled as such, the ceiling underneath the existing hadn't been treated though.

So the question is,,, what do you do???

 
OK then,,,,

Last week I finished a job off which was to put some lighting in a room where the current (very old) flurescent fitting had failed.

The ceiling was a "paint treated" asbestos and was labeled as such, the ceiling underneath the existing hadn't been treated though.

So the question is,,, what do you do???
Personally, if it was labelled as asbestos, I would decline the job.

I know someone has to do it, but that someone would not be me.

Like I said earlier, I declined the job os wiring in an asbestos pre fab cottage. the owner simply said well if you don't want to do it, someone else will.

A bigger question has to be WHY are there still dwellings containing asbestos?  I would not want to live in one. Isn't it about time all know asbestos prefab buildings were removed and replaced with new buildings?

 
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OK then,,,,

Last week I finished a job off which was to put some lighting in a room where the current (very old) flurescent fitting had failed.

The ceiling was a "paint treated" asbestos and was labeled as such, the ceiling underneath the existing hadn't been treated though.

So the question is,,, what do you do???
If it was labelled it would have been tested and there will be a picture and a description plus the type of Asbestos. It will also identify the risks.

The problem is when it is disturbed, there are various ways to reduce the disturbance, and to protect yourself during this process. Incidentally I have asked my GP for a health check because I was exposed to both blue and white asbestos when I was younger. We use to use saws to cut shapes for the back of boards and much more. As it is now over 25 years ago I am hoping all is clear.

 
You read about a lot of cases like this in buildings of this nature and public buildings, but show me a case where it involved an Electrician putting up a replacement light in a private domestic dwelling.

In my area council houses were under refurbishment and asbestos was found, the project was closed down, tenants were relocated, it must have cost over a million to implement.

However what about the people that had already lived in them for the past 35 Years, rubbing it down and decorating over it.

Surely these people must now be able to claim for damage to health if it's that bad, or is it overkill.

Great Western Railway had men in the boiler rooms lagging with asbestos, apparently you could see it in the air, it was like fog.

Some of these men died as a result but not all.

Similar with the woman that made matches, the fumes meant they lived very short lives, people knew it was bad but still did the job.

The amount of fuses I've pulled over the last 40 years that had the asbestos in the back of the carrier that fell out when you removed the fuse and you picked it up and put it back, was never considered dangerous but now you seal it up and close the factory down.

MDF dust is a killer, how many sites do you go on and the carpenters with the circular saw cutting away and not a care in the world, with everyone else breathing it in.

Yes it's all bad and should be avoided if possible, but I do believe in this day and age people want to make money off the back of it being dangerous and make it out to be far worse than it is.

Everything we do is bad for us, like going outside and breathing all the fumes from vehicles, would they stop all transport, I don't think so, yet in China people walking around with masks on, do they know something we don't.

 
Re the mdf dust, new HSE guidance requires the chippy to have a full dust extraction system to any cutting tools or to do all cuts externally. So I'm guessing that mdf is being taken seriously as a health hazard?

On some sites I'm required to wear a dust mask when drilling 5.5mm holes into masonry even when outside!!!

 
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Wearing a mask is always going to better than not wearing one, I myself now have a faulty immune system caused by the environment, which means they don't know what caused it.

It affects my lungs mostly, but my joints, muscles and skin take a bashing from time to time.

I cannot be around dust anymore and doing so makes breathing very difficult.

 
Read what Techie has to send you  .    

Was it an Artex ceiling  by any chance ?    Some Artexes contain asbestos apparently .
really old stuff. had to have a test done in my mams when she claimed on the insurance for a ceiling that came through with a bust pipe.  from what iv looked up its norm pre1985 and is very low risk as the artex binds the fibres well so not much can be released also its the white stuff so not as bad as brown blue asbestos. and have seen online most people just skim it over.

to be honest sounds mainly like a scam from insurance contractors to get more work and charge the company the earth to remove it as i haven't seen anything else about it not concerned with insurance. i know council leaves floor tiles that have asbestos in them down unless there broken and removing them is exactly the same as any other tile ( no masks, vacuums etc) its mainly the disposal that differs as they cant just go to the tip.

 
MDF dust is a killer, how many sites do you go on and the carpenters with the circular saw cutting away and not a care in the world, with everyone else breathing it in.

Not according to the last woodworking specialist inspector I talked to @ HSE.

It USED to be dangerous due to the adhesives used, but these have been banned for years.

Plus, there should not be enough in the air to be above the exposure levels that could cause harm anyway.

 
really old stuff. had to have a test done in my mams when she claimed on the insurance for a ceiling that came through with a bust pipe.  from what iv looked up its norm pre1985 and is very low risk as the artex binds the fibres well so not much can be released also its the white stuff so not as bad as brown blue asbestos. and have seen online most people just skim it over.

to be honest sounds mainly like a scam from insurance contractors to get more work and charge the company the earth to remove it as i haven't seen anything else about it not concerned with insurance. i know council leaves floor tiles that have asbestos in them down unless there broken and removing them is exactly the same as any other tile ( no masks, vacuums etc) its mainly the disposal that differs as they cant just go to the tip.
1985 is not really old blue! ;)

The artex coats the fibres, but does not stop them from remaining dangerous.

The white, brow, blue thing is a bit of an urban myth.

Current beliefs are that they are all dangerous.

As far as floor tiles go, like all ACM's the best thing to do is leave them alone.

The risk is releasing free fibres into the air, as they are respirable.

Floor tiles have a polymer content that strongly coats & binds the fibres, it also changes the aerodynamic properties and the aspect ratio, which reduces the potential of release as free fibres, and those if released are coated which limits the potential of them causing the lung damage that is associated with asbestos.

With asbestos flash guards there is a real and present risk of fibre release, with artex there is a real and present risk of release.

There are many other items that present a real and present risk of release upon being disturbed.

I seem to recall posting a picture recently of an install we had undertaken in a council property on behalf of another public agency.

The council reported the artex ceiling as an ACM.

Our client had a sample taken to check and it came back as positive.

Thus we could not cut through the coating to undertake the installation.

However another legitimate means was creatively found!

 
Zero training on and little knowledge of asbestos, self employed.

From reading through the posts in this thread  am i now going to have to do an asbestos awareness course or similar? The DBs with the asbestos lined fuses... are we not to touch them under any circumstances and bag up and remove the DB by cutting the wires ie. DB replacement for a blown fuse? I come across these DBs a lot, a favourite of the mills around where I live. 

With the regard to site survey, does this mean every premisses i propose to do work at needs to have a site survey before work as mentioned in a previous post? The implications of this are totally impractical, think of domestics going to 3 or 4+ houses a day!?. 

Definitely been exposed to it over the years, as an apprentice moving light fittings in asbestos board garage ceilings, knocking through boards to get cables through, no doubt other hidden sources, no point worrying about the past but I am interested in the future and the legal implications.

There isn't enough knowledge on this, seen an old DB sealed with asbestos warning signs on, replacement DB next to it, asbestos lined fuses (asbestos flash back stuck to fuse) sat on top of the old sealed DB  headbang  another favourite is a tub of spare fuses next to the DB with the asbestos flashbacks again out with the fuses.    

 
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