Earth Bonding Help Please

[NozSpark]

ok thanks fro the help guys i did stop and think on shorting the wires and stoped there its only cosmetic yes the wires would have looked better shorter and neater but the ways out way the means so will leave them alone is the tidying better ? it was only a few wires(to an out side connector used for a pond supply) that are unused and a low volt tranforemer i have removed

as can been seen the new bonding wire now looped on the left of the box need to be connected to earth to contemplate the bonding the question i wanted to ask from the start is would it be better to connect this to the top board or the lower board if you look at the wire coming from the top board you can see a small green earth cable poss 4mm to the earth and the newer board connected by meb 13 years ago poss 6mm earth cable i would assume its better to connect to the lower box as the Resistance with the bigger cable is going to be less

again thanks angel for all help

can i ask how much would/should you pay to have the system tested and part p cert given if no problems found ?

You're probably talking about a days work to carry out an EICR (similar to a cars MOT), if there are problems then they would be at extra cost. As for cost then I'd guess at £200 at least for the test.

For a Part P certificate,,,, a registered company can only certify their own work,,, no-one elses!

The only people who can certify other peoples work are the local building controllers (council) and you have to pay for that

 

[ProDave]

if the earthing to both is not up to standard what should meb chage to sort this out ?

The earth bonding is your responsibility.To be honest, most DNO's won't care less and will only upgrade things like your inadequate supply cut out if you TELL them to do it and TELL them it's unsafe as it is.

 

[Andy™]

and i wouldnt get DNO out to upgrade anything of theirs either - they will probably tell you to remove just about everything from inside the meter cupboard in order to make space for their equipment. and im sure you dont want to have to move that CU thats in there

 

[Nicky Tesla]

uh

 

[Nicky Tesla]

if the earthing to both is not up to standard what should meb chage to sort this out ?

your address

 

[angellonewolf]

i know i sound like a numpty when doing this sort of thing will say i do have a good knowledge of sparx works eg dont touch bathrooms kitchens you are only able to replace faulty sockets etc

i went round next doors 5 months after they have a kitchen fitted as there pipes were leaking and washing machine was making a noise when spinning more then normal i fixed the pipe work and sorted the washing machine as all it needed was the machine leveled

but found a earth bonding strap dropped on to the floor i said this needed to be connected but i can not do this better call an electrician just to be safe

 

[angellonewolf]

sorry not posting my address on line but in Bristol area

 

[Doc Hudson]

to reply to the earthing arrangements i do not know as the coarse i done was a very long time ago

the supply cable before the main meb fuse is one fat cable with a red core and the armor is the earth and neutral witch can been seen from above photo

The cable you refer to is a concentric cable, it has no armour!

i know i sound like a numpty when doing this sort of thing will say i do have a good knowledge of sparx works eg dont touch bathrooms kitchens you are only able to replace faulty sockets etc

Forums such as this are here to help people with questions and for competent persons to broaden their knowledge with changes to the industry etc. However all threads where questions are being asked must rely on the person asking the questions to be open and honest and not pretend they are something they are not. Lack of knowledge and ability are soon evident when basic questions are asked to help resolve a problem that the OP cannot answer.

Clearly there is a major contradiction in some of your statements. despite your claims to have good knowledge of electrical work, you are not able to identify the earthing arrangements. The earth arrangements for any installation are the one pivotal safety aspect that has implications upon what protective devices and bonding may or may not be needed. You talk of a friend who is going to test and certify your work, but are now asking how much it will cost for someone to come and test and certify your work?

I would never condone a forum member giving advice to someone to undertake work that is clearly outside of their skill set, as the implications could be fatal injury to either themselves or someone else using the property. So I would strongly suggest you stop doing any more work and get a qualified electrician to come and do a comprehensive test of the whole installation, from this you would identify any areas needing attention and the level of importance. Depending upon the size of you property and accessibility to accessories and documentation of circuit composition this would probably be somewhere between half a day to a full day and anywhere between £175 and £300. This thread honestly looks like the classic someone who will have wasted pounds to save pennies, by not seeking advice or doing a job correctly in the first place.

Doc H.

 

[kme]

Must concur with the Doc here mate - you may think you`re competent to do this work, but, from reading your posts, its evident to me that you`re nowhere near the competency level you think you have. Sorry, not trying to put you down or anything, but you are so far out of your depth with this - its going to be cheaper for you (not to mention MUCH safer for everyone) to have it done properly.

If one of my friends called me to look at what they`d done, and I saw anything approaching this mess - it wouldn`t be getting ANY paperwork from me (other than an EDN! or EICR), until things were resolved properly - and I wouldn`t trust someone who`d shown this level of work to be capable of that.

Not having a go at you exactly, but please cut your losses, and have this resolved by someone who REALLY knows what they`re doing ray

KME

 

[angellonewolf]

so can i connect the bonding wire to the bottom box to complete the earth bonding ?

thanks angel

 

[ProDave]

so can i connect the bonding wire to the bottom box to complete the earth bonding ?

thanks angel

Can you explain why it won't fit in the top box?

 

[angellonewolf]

yes it will fit in the top box but the cable from the top box the earthing wire from the top box that connects to the earth/neutral block i from what i can see is poss 4mm see the darker green wire going to the box would it not be better to connect to the lower box with the bigger earth cable ?

 

[Manator]

I would connect the thin one to the thick one, but remember to lube it first with earthing compound.

 

[angellonewolf]

yes it will fit in the top box but the cable from the top box the earthing wire from the top box that connects to the earth/neutral block i from what i can see is poss 4mm see the darker green wire going to the box would it not be better to connect to the lower box with the bigger earth cable ?

yes i have friend that is going to come round and do the megger testing and earthloop and so and so to confirm all is ok but have cheaked that he can sign the part p him self not part of a company so he can do the deed and at the end ok the day i am trying to save my self a few quid by putting in the bondingmyself or he will charge me for doing work i can do my self

i know this rubs against the grain as its how you guys make you money but i have 4 kids work 6 days a week just to keep things going and any money i can save i can put in to my family

 

[angellonewolf]

now this this

I would connect the thin one to the thick one, but remember to lube it first with earthing compound.

now this sounds like its getting rude lol

 

[binky]

please please please phone the DNO and find out what you're earthing system is... it won't cost you anything and then we can give proper advice

 

[ProDave]

I would get your friend who's going to "do the megger testing and earthloop and so and so to confirm all is ok" to sort out the earthing. He obviously knows what he's talking about.

 

[angellonewolf]

in both boxes there is a lot for free spaces to connect the bonding cable but was asking witch on would be the best to put the bonding cable to as on has a poss 4mm cable the other has 6mm earth cable

 

[angellonewolf]

any one know dno for the old meb area?

 

[kme]

If you check the downloads section, there is a list of contacts for DNO`s.....

As manator says, if you INSIST on doing it yourself, use the paste on it, `cos its technically external

As for your "mate".........From your description, it sounds like he doesn`t have much clue either - notifying someone else`s work isn`t "something he can do" at all - if he says he can, he`s either a liar or a muppet.