Earthing Metallic Back Boxes In Houses
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Ok, so before you remove the accessory front you've isolated the supply and tested as far as practically that the accessory is dead. Then you remove the accessory and test that the terminations are dead. Up until that point you assume that everything is live!
Given the above procedure (safe working practice) what possible fault could cause a back box to become live?
Remember, up until the point that you start to slacken the accessory screws the back box should be connected to earth and any fault to the back box should cause the OCPD to operate.
Given the above procedure (safe working practice) what possible fault could cause a back box to become live?
Remember, up until the point that you start to slacken the accessory screws the back box should be connected to earth and any fault to the back box should cause the OCPD to operate.
??? Correct my friend, FINALLY!!! The installation is correctly been installed, METALLIC BACK BOXES EARTHED, safe isolation has been carried, NOW IF FOR ANY REASON (fault wise) qualified or unqualified person we're to get a ELECTRIC SHOCK the installer has DONE EVERYTHING PRACTIABLE WITHIN THERE POWER TO REDUCE ELECTRIC SHOCK, FOR WHAT EVER REASON THEY DID GET A ELECTRIC SHOCK, WE THE INSTALLER ARE NOT AT FAULT AS WE HAVE AS WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING PRACTIABLE TO ENSURE NO ONE GETS ELECTRIC SHOCK( INSTALLER IS NOT AT FAULT) NOW IF WE DIDNT EARTH BACK BOX AND SOME ONE GET A ELECTRIC SHOCK, WE ARE AT FAULT(THE INSTALLER) AS BY NOT EARTHING BACK BOX WE DID NOT DO EVERYTHING PRACTIABLE WITHIN OUR POWER TO PREVENT IT,
This also is good to add onto test certs in recommendations( recommend all metallic ack boxes in property to be earthed because bla bla bla ect) GET ME ?
ALWAYS COVER YOUR *** IT TAKES SECONDS TO EARTH A BACK BOX AND ALL DECENT SPARKS IVE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEARS AGREE, ITS USUALLY COWBOY SPARKS THAT DONT EARTH BACK BOXES!!!!!!
Me personally I've had 1 electic shock in 20 years, when I was a apprentice and isolated supply, lighting by the way and didn't know about borrowed neutrals!!!!! LoL screamed like a girl hahahahahahahahaaaaaa, after being educated never had another
Also when I come across faults and back boxes are not earthed, Example skt circuit fault I carry out SAFE ISOLATION ON BACK BOX ALSO BETWEEN PHASES AND ALSO PUT A QUICK FLY LEAD TO A SEPERATE CIRCUITS EARTH (lights) Ect , AND TO BACK BOX JUST TO BE CERTIAN ITS DE ENERGISED!!!!
This also is good to add onto test certs in recommendations( recommend all metallic ack boxes in property to be earthed because bla bla bla ect) GET ME ?
ALWAYS COVER YOUR *** IT TAKES SECONDS TO EARTH A BACK BOX AND ALL DECENT SPARKS IVE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEARS AGREE, ITS USUALLY COWBOY SPARKS THAT DONT EARTH BACK BOXES!!!!!!
Me personally I've had 1 electic shock in 20 years, when I was a apprentice and isolated supply, lighting by the way and didn't know about borrowed neutrals!!!!! LoL screamed like a girl hahahahahahahahaaaaaa, after being educated never had another
Also when I come across faults and back boxes are not earthed, Example skt circuit fault I carry out SAFE ISOLATION ON BACK BOX ALSO BETWEEN PHASES AND ALSO PUT A QUICK FLY LEAD TO A SEPERATE CIRCUITS EARTH (lights) Ect , AND TO BACK BOX JUST TO BE CERTIAN ITS DE ENERGISED!!!!
Ive stayed away from this up until now,
but,
you really dont have a ******* clue do you?
you are talking total utter *****, maybe you learnt everything in a classroom, and it sounds like what you did learn could be wrote on the back of a *** packet,
its people like you that are a disgrace to the industry,
all the kit, full of ****.
so, you condemn and unsatisfactory all the perfectably acceptable installs without box tags because you have dreamt up some imaginary fault that they cure? :shakehead
pure scaremongering, worse than BG by the sounds of it, or is that how you get work? as it seems that you dont have the ability to grasp the simple basics of safe isolation, and prove dead.
but,
you really dont have a ******* clue do you?
you are talking total utter *****, maybe you learnt everything in a classroom, and it sounds like what you did learn could be wrote on the back of a *** packet,
its people like you that are a disgrace to the industry,
all the kit, full of ****.
so, you condemn and unsatisfactory all the perfectably acceptable installs without box tags because you have dreamt up some imaginary fault that they cure? :shakehead
pure scaremongering, worse than BG by the sounds of it, or is that how you get work? as it seems that you dont have the ability to grasp the simple basics of safe isolation, and prove dead.
because I think this qualified 'sparky' should speak to a competent electrician who would explain that the metal back box is earthed via the fixed lug and accessory screw and therefore the OCPD would operate therefore rendering the 'live' circuit dead,
if the qualified 'sparky' cant understand this principle then I would suggest he is in contravention of EAWR16
if the qualified 'sparky' cant understand this principle then I would suggest he is in contravention of EAWR16
Typical answer by a cowboy!!
Do not condem anything
Just covering my own ***
Also a good electrician would install circuits in accordance with current regulations and ensure as far as reasonably practable everything within there power to eliminate risk of electrocution!!
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The fixed lug is not the answer my friend I've heard all that before u want me to educate u on the fixed lug theory???
U need educating!!!
Do not condem anything
Just covering my own ***
Also a good electrician would install circuits in accordance with current regulations and ensure as far as reasonably practable everything within there power to eliminate risk of electrocution!!
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The fixed lug is not the answer my friend I've heard all that before u want me to educate u on the fixed lug theory???
U need educating!!!
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oh dear,
and at what point did i say I didnt tag boxes?
or did you see hercules tied up outside ? :slap
you carry on believing yourself and trying to convince yourself you are right,
me, I'll just take the money and ride into the sunset laughing at the foolish people that argue the toss over their own incompetence,
btw, a 5week course at a national training provider doesnt count towards you having done an apprenticeship,
and at what point did i say I didnt tag boxes?
or did you see hercules tied up outside ? :slap
you carry on believing yourself and trying to convince yourself you are right,
me, I'll just take the money and ride into the sunset laughing at the foolish people that argue the toss over their own incompetence,
btw, a 5week course at a national training provider doesnt count towards you having done an apprenticeship,
Ok the fixed lug
It's a fault
The earth is down to that accessorie
Therefore rendering the fixed lug theory of supporting that back box is earthed ACTUALLY is not as the earth is down no longer earthing that back box due to FAULT CONDITIONS
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It's a fault
The earth is down to that accessorie
Therefore rendering the fixed lug theory of supporting that back box is earthed ACTUALLY is not as the earth is down no longer earthing that back box due to FAULT CONDITIONS
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Just give me one scenario where a back box might become live under fault conditions when the circuit entering it is isolated
so, the earth to that accessory is broken,
how would tagging the back box help? :C
btw, I didnt make the rule regarding the fixed lug, a lot of men a lot cleverer than me made that rule,
and its obvious that a lot more people are cleverer than you,
probably most of the people on the internet at a guess,,,,,,,,
I think he has been wiring a row of houses, picked up a feed from next door by accident,
electrocuted someone, he is being took to court, and is trying to blame someone for not tagging a back box as that would have solved everything,
I wonder does Bob Geldoff realise that the answer to all Africas problems is because they dont tag their boxes? :C
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Not tagging back box!!!!
Not done everything then reasonably practable to ensure a electric shock
Installer is now liable
Tag back box and you have now done everything practable within your power incase of electric shock. NOT LIABLE
Obviously the men telling you don't tag back box as the lug earths it
Hahaha
Arnt very intelligent and competent
Not done everything then reasonably practable to ensure a electric shock
Installer is now liable
Tag back box and you have now done everything practable within your power incase of electric shock. NOT LIABLE
Obviously the men telling you don't tag back box as the lug earths it
Hahaha
Arnt very intelligent and competent
I despair, I really do,
if you honestly think tagging a box is the answer you crack on,
there are a lot more serious shortfalls out there to be concerned with,
I said my piece,
Im not going to argue with an ***** any longer, otherwise i might end up down at their level and people wont know the difference.
:coat
if you honestly think tagging a box is the answer you crack on,
there are a lot more serious shortfalls out there to be concerned with,
I said my piece,
Im not going to argue with an ***** any longer, otherwise i might end up down at their level and people wont know the difference.
:coat
Where's harrold
Obviously educated by me now and left
Don't think I'm gettin through to educate you am I
I'll ask u a question on ?? I know what's your first name!!!
You probably get that wrong!!!
Hahaha
That's basics m8, fcuk me do u want me to start a more in depth TOPIC????
You can't grasp this one SO BASIC
You've no chance with a indepth serious one with me
God help all who EMPLOY THESE COWBOYS!!!
Once again tagging back box doesn't help as above conversation but at least if electric shock was taken by a person
Then at least by tagging BACKBOX!!!'
YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING PRACTIABLE AND IM ACCORDANCE TO PREVENT ELECTRIC SHOCK
HASNT THE INSTALLER???
Regardless of weather it worked or not to prevent electric shock!!!!!!'
We the installer have done everything practicable that we can to PREVENT ELECTRIC SHOCK WITHIN OUR POWER!!!!
Make sense
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Obviously educated by me now and left
Don't think I'm gettin through to educate you am I
I'll ask u a question on ?? I know what's your first name!!!
You probably get that wrong!!!
Hahaha
That's basics m8, fcuk me do u want me to start a more in depth TOPIC????
You can't grasp this one SO BASIC
You've no chance with a indepth serious one with me
God help all who EMPLOY THESE COWBOYS!!!
Once again tagging back box doesn't help as above conversation but at least if electric shock was taken by a person
Then at least by tagging BACKBOX!!!'
YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING PRACTIABLE AND IM ACCORDANCE TO PREVENT ELECTRIC SHOCK
HASNT THE INSTALLER???
Regardless of weather it worked or not to prevent electric shock!!!!!!'
We the installer have done everything practicable that we can to PREVENT ELECTRIC SHOCK WITHIN OUR POWER!!!!
Make sense
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Jeez you aren't half up yourself...
The accessorie earth terminal
Ex- skt is faulty
Reason production line producing it fcuked up!!!
Now the EARTH CONNECTIONS TO THE ACCESSORIE ARE CONNECTED
WITH ME SO FAR M8????
But the screw attaching the accessorie to the BACKBOX is not earthing the back box
So because of a slight glitch in the accessorie FAULT the LUG ISINT EARTHING THE BACKBOX NOW AS YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY COWBOYS( the lug earths the BACKBOX)
Am at the end of my tether this is why I haven't been on here since 2010
It's for part time incompetent so called sparks this forum who can't INTERPRETATE THE REGS AND GOOD WORKING SAFE PRACTICE
THOUGHT ID GIVE THIS LITTLE DEBATE A GO AGAIN AND SEE WATS OUT THERE REGARDING
DECENT SPARKS NEW AND ON THE FORUM
ARRRRGH
LOL
Nothing changed
Didn't want to start a serious intellectual debate on a serious des cushion, as I wouldn't of got any response
Judging by the comments I've had I wouldn't of!!!!
Ex- skt is faulty
Reason production line producing it fcuked up!!!
Now the EARTH CONNECTIONS TO THE ACCESSORIE ARE CONNECTED
WITH ME SO FAR M8????
But the screw attaching the accessorie to the BACKBOX is not earthing the back box
So because of a slight glitch in the accessorie FAULT the LUG ISINT EARTHING THE BACKBOX NOW AS YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY COWBOYS( the lug earths the BACKBOX)
Am at the end of my tether this is why I haven't been on here since 2010
It's for part time incompetent so called sparks this forum who can't INTERPRETATE THE REGS AND GOOD WORKING SAFE PRACTICE
THOUGHT ID GIVE THIS LITTLE DEBATE A GO AGAIN AND SEE WATS OUT THERE REGARDING
DECENT SPARKS NEW AND ON THE FORUM
ARRRRGH
LOL
Nothing changed
Didn't want to start a serious intellectual debate on a serious des cushion, as I wouldn't of got any response
Judging by the comments I've had I wouldn't of!!!!
did you write a book about getting a shock off a radiator as well? :C
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Now now gentlemen...
lets just put this all into context..
We as electricians all know that we have liabilities if we go about our daily duties in a negligent or haphazard way...
SO...
as a mistake on our part could cause the fatality of another member of the public..
My proposal is this....
All electricians MUST employ 2 people..
one to walk in front of their van carrying a red flag..
While we all only drive at 4mph between jobs...
The other one with a broom to sweep all sharp object out of the way of the tyres...
(remember what caused that horrific accident with Concord.. Debris on the runway!)
So these two actions will prevent the electrician from losing control by driving too fast..
and prevent a fault from bursting a tyre causing numerous possible catastrophic accidents...
I believe that if you go and research fatal accident statistic for the past 20 years..
More electricians have killed someone by dangerous driving than those killed by shock from non earthed back boxes!!
So if we really want to do everything practical relative to the actual level of risk..
then this is the way to go!!!
I am sure Captain Back-Box will be in agreement with the statistics!!!!
:coffee
lets just put this all into context..
We as electricians all know that we have liabilities if we go about our daily duties in a negligent or haphazard way...
SO...
as a mistake on our part could cause the fatality of another member of the public..
My proposal is this....
All electricians MUST employ 2 people..
one to walk in front of their van carrying a red flag..
While we all only drive at 4mph between jobs...
The other one with a broom to sweep all sharp object out of the way of the tyres...
(remember what caused that horrific accident with Concord.. Debris on the runway!)
So these two actions will prevent the electrician from losing control by driving too fast..
and prevent a fault from bursting a tyre causing numerous possible catastrophic accidents...
I believe that if you go and research fatal accident statistic for the past 20 years..
More electricians have killed someone by dangerous driving than those killed by shock from non earthed back boxes!!
So if we really want to do everything practical relative to the actual level of risk..
then this is the way to go!!!
I am sure Captain Back-Box will be in agreement with the statistics!!!!
:coffee
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