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anyone know then?? can u issue a pir of your and whats the differance between a sheme pir or your own one??
i asked my assessor the question can i use your headed paper to use for PIR's on domestic properties,,,he said yes

'competent person' is the bit he used,,,if u are happy and confident doing domestic ones go for it......but if you think a large office is daunting then dont

speak to the guy when he comes

 
i asked my assessor the question can i use your headed paper to use for PIR's on domestic properties,,,he said yes'competent person' is the bit he used,,,if u are happy and confident doing domestic ones go for it......but if you think a large office is daunting then dont

speak to the guy when he comes
Who are you with? Elecsa is domestic only, so not much point in using their certs for commercial anyway

 
Who are you with? Elecsa is domestic only, so not much point in using their certs for commercial anyway
Elecsa,,,,i was just using the commercial bit to highlight the 'competent' part

confused everyone now

:coat

 
well im glad i asked the question seems i got my answer, no need for me to pay the extra i will just issue my own pir's worry free

cheers everyone

 
Elecsa,,,,i was just using the commercial bit to highlight the 'competent' partconfused everyone now

:coat
so the actual inspecter said no problem in doin your own pir's

answer i was defo lookin for

 
and using their headed test sheets
:Y :Y:Y:YGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness Drinkyouve made my weekend so il start havin a few now

 
:Y :Y:Y:YGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness Drinkyouve made my weekend so il start havin a few now
not in that order = beer the wine, you'll be fine

Wine then beer - oh dear :D

 
not in that order = beer the wine, you'll be fineWine then beer - oh dear :D
:Y :Y:Y:spam:spam:spamGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness DrinkGuiness Drink what about that order???

 
Ye thats what i noticed, im not 2391 but have always issued pirs before all this part p came out as did everyone.all i wana no realy is if i dont get the periodic EXTRA rip off whats the problem in me giving my own pirs
You are paying for the right to use someone else's logo and brand with your work.

The logo and brand was established by some other organisation or body....

It is up the that body to decide how they allow people to use their logo!

Basic business.. you choose to buy a service or product or not..

If you dont want to pay for the product or service..

you have no right to use the product or service and any benefits it gives..

The fundamental thing you are paying for is the right to use specific logo'ed PIR certificates, which give the customer some added assurance of standards and accountability of the person undertaking the work.

Some businesses specifically request a person registered with a particular body undertakes any inspection work...

e.g. Council licencing authorities.. for pubs, clubs, entertainment venues etc..

Some private landlords,

Some insurance companies or mortgage lenders etc..

they request certain electrical body's are used to ensure certain standards are met.

You could consider it similar to a franchised garage repair shop vs a non franchised garage...

Joe bogs mechanic may be perfectly competent to repair your Ford Focus..

but if you want to maintain your rights to warranty claim it must be done by a franchised Ford dealer.

If Joe blogs wants the privilege of doing Ford warranty work..

he would have to pay the costs and jump though all the hoops to become a Ford franchised dealer..

Though he is still the same mechanic just as competent in both scenarios..

And even if he becomes a Ford franchised dealer it doesn't give the right for him to build his own kit-car and put a Ford badge on it!!

why do so many electricians feel they should have the right to use someone else brand and logo however they feel without paying any relevant advertised costs for the various added products, services or privileges?

You are paying for the added privileges and benefits of using someone else brand logo which is their property and right to define how it should be used!!

So in a nutshell

As long as your customer doesn't want a logo'ed PIR certificate and you are a competent person..

you can issue you own providing they have all of the essential information on the model forms in the big red book.

But if they want logo'ed certs..

You must ensure you have the right to use the logo in association with your work.

lets not forget basic underlying principals..

We are ALL businesses, dealing with other businesses..

it IS possible to cover additional negligible costs over the course of the average business year...

So if you want to use the extra services to enhance your business, you pays the costs? ;)

 
You are paying for the right to use someone else's logo and brand with your work.The logo and brand was established by some other organisation or body....

It is up the that body to decide how they allow people to use their logo!

Basic business.. you choose to buy a service or product or not..

If you dont want to pay for the product or service..

you have no right to use the product or service and any benefits it gives..

The fundamental thing you are paying for is the right to use specific logo'ed PIR certificates, which give the customer some added assurance of standards and accountability of the person undertaking the work.

Some businesses specifically request a person registered with a particular body undertakes any inspection work...

e.g. Council licencing authorities.. for pubs, clubs, entertainment venues etc..

Some private landlords,

Some insurance companies or mortgage lenders etc..

they request certain electrical body's are used to ensure certain standards are met.

You could consider it similar to a franchised garage repair shop vs a non franchised garage...

Joe bogs mechanic may be perfectly competent to repair your Ford Focus..

but if you want to maintain your rights to warranty claim it must be done by a franchised Ford dealer.

If Joe blogs wants the privilege of doing Ford warranty work..

he would have to pay the costs and jump though all the hoops to become a Ford franchised dealer..

Though he is still the same mechanic just as competent in both scenarios..

And even if he becomes a Ford franchised dealer it doesn't give the right for him to build his own kit-car and put a Ford badge on it!!

why do so many electricians feel they should have the right to use someone else brand and logo however they feel without paying any relevant advertised costs for the various added products, services or privileges?

You are paying for the added privileges and benefits of using someone else brand logo which is their property and right to define how it should be used!!

So in a nutshell

As long as your customer doesn't want a logo'ed PIR certificate and you are a competent person..

you can issue you own providing they have all of the essential information on the model forms in the big red book.

But if they want logo'ed certs..

You must ensure you have the right to use the logo in association with your work.

lets not forget basic underlying principals..

We are ALL businesses, dealing with other businesses..

it IS possible to cover additional negligible costs over the course of the average business year...

So if you want to use the extra services to enhance your business, you pays the costs? ;)
Good answer i totally agree with everything you say, all i was trying to find out is that you can actually issue your own regardless of schemes, im not trying to use som1s logo and issue a pir without having the right to do so.

 
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