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Well my 11yr old calls them pp3's!
I thought everyone does? My gf call them 'smoke detector batteries' but I'll let her off.

The number of 'discussions' we've had re blown lamps.

"can you change the bulb in the bedroom, it's blown"

"you mean the lamp in the bedroom"

"no the main light bulb"

"I've told you before the correct term is"lamp""

"that's just confusing, everyone knows they are bulbs"

"lamps glow, bulbs grow"

the episode culminated in a cardboard box being thrown in my direction - it clearly had the words 'light bulb' written on it.

I gave up

 
I thought everyone does? My gf call them 'smoke detector batteries' but I'll let her off. The number of 'discussions' we've had re blown lamps.

"can you change the bulb in the bedroom, it's blown"

"you mean the lamp in the bedroom"

"no the main light bulb"

"I've told you before the correct term is"lamp""

"that's just confusing, everyone knows they are bulbs"

"lamps glow, bulbs grow"

the episode culminated in a cardboard box being thrown in my direction - it clearly had the words 'light bulb' written on it.

I gave up
and retired to the bathroom with some 'reading' material...........

 
Read that back Dave, and then tell us why he couldn't get a belt! :|

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Testing my immersion heater with a neon screwdriver a few years ago felt noting until my elbow touched some heating pipework and I quickly dropped the screwdriver.

Your shoes [even if not specifically 'insulated'] provide a good degree of insulation and only allow a small current through.
i think its because the tryes on the cherry picker ause an insulating barrier :p

 
Read that back Dave, and then tell us why he couldn't get a belt!
1) The man basket he was standing in was all fibreglass, presumably designed to be insulating.

2) He was wearing rubber gauntlets to make the crimped connections to the live wires.

BUT if one, or both of his gauntlets were punctured then yes he could have got a belt, which even if it didn't kill him, would make him jump back, and because he wasn't wearing a harness or otherwise clipped on, he could easilly fall from the basket. That was my point.

When working live you are supposed to work in pairs, but his mate was at the other end of the site tidying away the tools, so wouldn't have been much help in the case of an incident.

 
I thought I was well insulated once but then I made a critical error; having pulled all fuses out of a tap off box and disconnected the outgoing SWA, I relaxed. I neglected to test the end of that SWA with my tester- common sense and experience told me that I had just disconnected that cable from it's power source and it was thus dead, however when I touched the ends of the SWA- with both bare hands - live in one hand and earth in the other I got a belt across the chest- resulting in me being detained overnight in the local hospital for observation (abnormal ECG result following the shock). Some plonker had connected the circuit to a second power source down the line- thus creating a backfeed. Now several years later I am older and much wiser. My point is that it does'nt matter what you are standing on or what boots you are wearing, if you bridge L-N, L-E or L-L etc (ie, become part of a short circuit) then you will suffer for it !.... you may even lose your life !.

 
A lot of work boots are marked 'anti static' and so are conductive, this is so that a static charge does not build up on you, which would not be good in the oil and gas industry. Hence one of the reasons we have the insulating rubber mats in front of switchboards. As Revved Up says though that does help if you bridge live and neutral or earth with your hands, elbows etc.

By the way it doesn't half hurt when you are standing beside your mate who is working in a panel, he gets a wee tingle and you get his elbow in your face.

 
1) The man basket he was standing in was all fibreglass, presumably designed to be insulating.2) He was wearing rubber gauntlets to make the crimped connections to the live wires.

BUT if one, or both of his gauntlets were punctured then yes he could have got a belt, which even if it didn't kill him, would make him jump back, and because he wasn't wearing a harness or otherwise clipped on, he could easilly fall from the basket. That was my point.

When working live you are supposed to work in pairs, but his mate was at the other end of the site tidying away the tools, so wouldn't have been much help in the case of an incident.
No. He could have held the live in his bare hand, he would have had to contact both L&N to get a shock.

 
1) The man basket he was standing in was all fibreglass, presumably designed to be insulating.2) He was wearing rubber gauntlets to make the crimped connections to the live wires.

BUT if one, or both of his gauntlets were punctured then yes he could have got a belt, which even if it didn't kill him, would make him jump back, and because he wasn't wearing a harness or otherwise clipped on, he could easilly fall from the basket. That was my point.

When working live you are supposed to work in pairs, but his mate was at the other end of the site tidying away the tools, so wouldn't have been much help in the case of an incident.
Thing is Dave there is no fall arrest location in a MEWP basket, only fall prevention, though this may have prevented his fall, the anchor points in a MEWP basket are not rated to connect a fall restraint lanyard, we need to be careful of the terms here and mine may not be correct, I'd have to check.

However, a MEWP basket only has a location to which you can connect a short lanyard to stop you falling out of the basket.

If you are thrown clear and are falling or fall out of the basket then the harness which is designed to catch you before you land, does not have a suitable anchor point in a MEWP basket, if that makes sense.

Perhaps Noz can remember the terms as he did his MEWP licence more recently than myself!

However my description is correct, a MEWP basket harness anchor is not designed nor tested to attach a harness to which will stop an already falling person from hitting the ground, it is only to stop you from falling from or being thrown clear of the basket when driving the MEWP.

However, a DNO vehicle is almost certainly a "Transit" type van with a static boom, thus it cannot be driven unles the boom is stowed & locked, thus no need for a harness to stop you falling out when travelling.

The height of the basket rails is such that they are designed to prevent you from falling, just like a scaffold rails.

You may well find that the basket is insulated & tested to allow live working.

 
This was a mobile device, it came on a trailer towed behind their Landrover.

It was self propelled, driven from the basket. They had to go up a pretty steep hill to get to the pole, during which time the thing was shreaking a loud alarm, probably trying to tell them it was too steep, but they carried on anyway. It was still far from level when they reached the bottom of the pole, but at least the alarm had stopped, so it was "near enough" level.

Regarding what type of harness, yes I was thinking just of something short to stop him falling out of the basket, not a fall arrest device, sorry for the confusion. He probably wasn't even high enough off the ground for a fall arrest device to work. But you would have thought he would have something to ensure he couldn't fall out of the basket.

 
but, as SW points out,

it must be a fall restraint, NOT a fall arrest,

this is something H&S take pretty seriously, and from my experience they prefer you to NOT wear any harness if you only have fall arrest available, you do a next stage RA/MS to allow the use without a harness.

 
Well, IF he was driving it from the basket then he SHOULD have had a restraint harness when driving, and it may have paid him to leave this in place when working.

I suspect his SSW RA & MS would have required this.

 
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