EV charging still got a Looong way to go..

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news...rced-to-wait-in-three-hour-queues/ar-AA15JX3Z

Interesting real user problems with EV's?

 

[Murdoch]

Isn’t this more of a Tesla issue?

 

[NozSpark]

Looks more like an EV bashing click bait article to me..... where's the photos??

 

[UNG]

Isn’t this more of a Tesla issue?

Tesla probably has a higher profile as a user group

Looks more like an EV bashing click bait article to me..... where's the photos??

It is very easy to jump to conclusions and dismiss what is actually happening
Well there are pictures in this report
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...A15JE54?cvid=d76c3f36d83d4f2a96e1305e1f2918ec
You only have to look around these EV charging sites and realise without a local substation to provide the power to the multiple high capacity chargepoints they are not going to have any meaningful charging capacity to quickly charge a vehicle

 

[johnb2713]

I did a trip to Essex yesterday, on the way back I called in at Gonerby Moor on the A1, they have a good number of Tesla Chargers, it must be 10 or 15 and the queue of Tesla's waiting to charge was huge. At the other side of the services there are chargers for peasants like me, straight in, picked up a charge while I had lunch and on my way home. I can see we need a massive improvement in vehicle charging infrastructure I have seen quite a few charger installations that are out of order and queues forming. I have 2 EV's a BMW i3 and yesterdays hack was my wifes Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. The PHEV is a great car for us, she does around 6 miles per day to and from work with a longer trip 2 times per week. 99% of the time it runs electric, the longer trips and one off's like yesterday it runs the engine. Our 360 mile journey it returned 42.1 MPG with 1 charge en route.

I do believe yesterdays trip would have been more stressful if we had been in a BEV.

 

[Murdoch]

42.1 mpg is hardly impressive these days

 

[johnb2713]

42.1 mpg is hardly impressive these days

For a 2015, 180,000 mile, petrol 2 litre, 4x4 on the motorway at 70 mph IMHO it is excellent. Add to that the 99% running as an EV in the weekly operation it's a really good compromise.

 

[Murdoch]

For a 2015, 180,000 mile, petrol 2 litre, 4x4 on the motorway at 70 mph IMHO it is excellent. Add to that the 99% running as an EV in the weekly operation it's a really good compromise.

Shame you didn’t use the i3

 

[johnb2713]

Shame you didn’t use the i3

I very nearly did, I bough an aircon unit for my shop with a ceiling cassette etc. The i3 is deceptively big BUT it only just fitted in the Outlander - phew.

 

[MikeJhn]

42.1 mpg is hardly impressive these days

And does not take into account the electricity it used when first running.

 

[johnb2713]

And does not take into account the electricity it used when first running.

Even taking the 20 miles or so into account it's still good in my opinion. A manual, 2 wheel drive petrol freelander for example averages 35 mpg. I'd be interested to hear of dramatically better figures from a similar vehicle ?

 

[MikeJhn]

I have a BMW 530 touring which returns 40mpg or just over on a regular basis, in town it goes down a bit but not by much.

 

[Geoff1946]

I run an old fashioned (2014), 2 litre diesel X Trail. A similar size and weight, I would guess. I get between 45 and 50 mpg on a decent run.
I previously had a petrol one and swapped it because it was too thirsty; lower 30's if I recall correctly, so yes I would say your Hybrid is doing OK.

 

[johnb2713]

I have a BMW 530 touring which returns 40mpg or just over on a regular basis, in town it goes down a bit but not by much.

4 X 4?

 

[Phoenix]

42.1 mpg is hardly impressive these days

I can get 60+mpg out of the 2L 'dirty diesel' in a 15 year old mondeo on a run, I know you get a bit less and pay a bit less per L for petrol, But I'm not sure I'd be impressed with 42.1mpg out of a hybrid petrol vehicle TBH, I guess I'd expect that from a more petrol and expect the hybrid to do a bit better

 

[MikeJhn]

4 X 4?

Yes

 

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I think this article highlights the problems when a lot of demand all happens in a short space of time.....
basically cracks and deterioration in the supply infrastructure happen quickly...

IF.. demand is paced out over longer timeframes everyone can get their share at the feeding table....
BUT.. in the real world, currently too many, want too much, at the same time...

I liken it to the bog-roll shortage at the start of the first Covid lock-down...

There actually was sufficient bog rolls...
but the supply chain could not feed the mass panic of people thinking they were going to be locked at home unable to wipe their bums!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[johnb2713]

I can get 60+mpg out of the 2L 'dirty diesel' in a 15 year old mondeo on a run, I know you get a bit less and pay a bit less per L for petrol, But I'm not sure I'd be impressed with 42.1mpg out of a hybrid petrol vehicle TBH,

Diesel was always streets ahead of petrol by a very long way in terms of MPG. My 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover I could get 43 mpg on my regular trips from Gainsborough to Bournemouth. The point about the hybrid petrol is it's in it's worst case situation i.e. motorway, constant high speed and way beyond it's electric range yet still return a good MPG figure is relevant IMHO. Hybrid offers no advantage once you get to this type of journey, in all probability it's a distinct disadvantage, the disadvantages outweighed by it's general duties week on week.

I guess I'd expect that from a more petrol and expect the hybrid to do a bit better

Why would you expect a hybrid to do better in a motorway situation?

 

[Andy1733]

Went to a wedding yesterday. 180 miles round trip. M1/ M62/B roads.. Didn't check last night, This morning Clock reads 52.6 mpg.
Kia sorento 2.2 AWD....

 

[Murdoch]

The best short term answer is to encourage the sale and use of frugal petrol engines and tax the xxxx out of Chelsea tractors.

There there is the issue about scraping perfectly good vehicles and making EV’s -that’s not good for the planet either

I can see us having a small EV for all our local runs but keeping our ICE for long trips or trips needing more space