Fire alarm fault

[Electroglow]

Hi all.

Before I start I just want to tell u I hardly do fire alams and this is only because it's for a mate... That I'm asking other wise I wouldn't get involved......

He has had a new fire panel changed in the past two months... Everything was ok as he said said but this week he has found a fault on the display system......

Sounder fault

Am I correct in saying that some older system don't really like new pnels??

It's a Tate panel

Any suggestions??

 

[Terry W]

As guess its a fault on the sounder circuit,

measure for eol, check fuses, try resistor in panel.

Normal fualt finding stuff

 

[Electroglow]

Ok il have a quik look... When changing a panel I know uvhae to replace EOL in the detectors and call point! What about te sounders??

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Hi all. Before I start I just want to tell u I hardly do fire alams and this is only because it's for a mate... That I'm asking other wise I wouldn't get involved......

He has had a new fire panel changed in the past two months... Everything was ok as he said said but this week he has found a fault on the display system......

Sounder fault

Am I correct in saying that some older system don't really like new pnels??

It's a Tate panel

Any suggestions??

First thing I would do is contact the people who installed it to come back and fix it at their expense!!!

Before you start poking around doing any damage that they cane blame back onto you!

Guinness :C

 

[Electroglow]

I won't do any damage lol

What kind of resistance should u get with a EOL inplace ??

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

Tate are just badged up panels made by numerous companies. As far as i am aware they use end of line diodes not resisters. Have a look here, they do 2 & 4 wire systems http://www.free-instruction-manuals.com/pdf/p3276310.pdf .

 

[Electroglow]

That's right u are correct they do use diodes .

But I'd that was the case then y would the fault only show up now ?

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

It could be un-related ? Get back the installers. First thing i would do is fit the EOL devices in the panel.

 

[Andy™]

call the people who installed it

 

[sellers]

Come on guys, give him some help, I'd be interested to know what's the best way of fault finding for this?

At a guess I'd check continuity of all cables, fuses and resistance of eol resistor. But my fire alarm experience is limited.

 

[Terry W]

Come on guys, give him some help, I'd be interested to know what's the best way of fault finding for this?

remove cables & measure the circuit (the manual states a 10k resistor), using a DVM like this you should get a reading of around 10000 Ω (imgae might have zero missing)

okay say it open circuit? you could apply a short by putting the panel end cables in choc block you should have the value of the cables if you don't, go midway you should measure a short one way & 10000 ish the other

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+ if only the panels been changed any fault outside of the panel is liable to be chargable!

fuse, if you put meter on sounder circuit (volt) & evac you should have 28v or so

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Come on guys, give him some help, I'd be interested to know what's the best way of fault finding for this?At a guess I'd check continuity of all cables, fuses and resistance of eol resistor. But my fire alarm experience is limited.

An installation that has gone faulty after 2 months should be fixed free of charge by the original installers...

I cannot understand why anybody has not just rung them up to fix it????

Who

 

[Terry W]

An installation that has gone faulty after 2 months should be fixed free of charge by the original installers...

OP states panel changed, if you changed my consumer unit is the warrenty for the extent of the work you've done of for whole intsallation ?

I susepct co. which has done panel swap when approached to do a return visit has informed the client that should the fault not be within the extent of the work they have undertaken.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

OP states panel changed, if you changed my consumer unit is the warrenty for the extent of the work you've done of for whole intsallation ?I susepct co. which has done panel swap when approached to do a return visit has informed the client that should the fault not be within the extent of the work they have undertaken.

I would expect the company that did the swap to have tested all zone circuit cables etc.. etc.. to ensure it was all functioning correctly with no damaged cables etc.. all EOL devices connected etc.. etc..

So in all reasonable assumptions the goods AND services they provided should be fit for purpose and be capable of working correctly for more than 2 months

 

[Terry W]

I would expect the company that did the swap to have tested all zone circuit cables etc.. etc.. to ensure it was all functioning correctly with no damaged cables etc.. all EOL devices connected etc.. etc..So in all reasonable assumptions the goods AND services they provided should be fit for purpose and be capable of working correctly for more than 2 months

 

[davidelectrix]

alternatively ..grease my palm with silver...or gold !..and i will fix it...or condemn it !...haha

 

[Electroglow]

Sorry mate all fixed now!!! To late...

 

[ktguk]

Hi all. Before I start I just want to tell u I hardly do fire alams and this is only because it's for a mate... That I'm asking other wise I wouldn't get involved......

He has had a new fire panel changed in the past two months... Everything was ok as he said said but this week he has found a fault on the display system......

Sounder fault

Am I correct in saying that some older system don't really like new pnels??

It's a Tate panel

Any suggestions??

Remove the EOL fit back in panel then see if fault clears if yes then fault on the circuit (easy enough to find as its a radial circuit) or if fault continues then faulty EOL or panel (obviously replace EOL then still no joy it's gotta be the panel)

 

[Electroglow]

Thanks mate.... But ur way way to late I sorted it now thanks any way lol