Sharpend
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Preview of main 18th Ed changes?
http://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-matters/61/18th-edition-report/index.cfm
http://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-matters/61/18th-edition-report/index.cfm
For those who like to be ahead?
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Yey!
More expensive books to burn!
:yawn
is anyone still using the red book?
More expensive books to burn!
:yawn
is anyone still using the red book?
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Sharpend
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Don't use but only have upto the red osg if that counts :Blushing
and green book?
and green book?
so its not plastic consumer units that cause fire now, its Arcing faults now! (in BS 7671:2018 for the installation of arc fault detection devices (AFDDs) to mitigate the risk of fire in final circuits of a fixed installation due to the effect of arc fault currents).
http://www.electrical-installation.org/enwiki/Arc_Fault_Detection_Devices_(AFDD)
it's RCD's all over again.....
Somebody is going to make a lot of money!
<_<
it's RCD's all over again.....
Somebody is going to make a lot of money!
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I can't face reading it all again , just tell me what is being dreamed up now.
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Well, yet more reasons to leave the EU.
Jeez I wish someone would get a hold on this nonsensical approach to the problems within this industry without constantly trying to make as much money as possible whilst looking the other way.
eadHorse:
Jeez I wish someone would get a hold on this nonsensical approach to the problems within this industry without constantly trying to make as much money as possible whilst looking the other way.
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Well I'm truly amazed another new reg aimed specifically at domestic properties, I thinks it's about time we did away with domestic dwellings and all moved to commercial properties as domestic dwellings must be by default fundamentally flawed in design for these measures are not considered necessary for commercial environments, yet most of us spend more time out of the domestic dwelling than we do in it????
oh and this report by the European fire board, could someone explain to me when America became part of Europe? Also I'm guessing that either the uk installs are superiorly safer than the rest of Europe as we weren't mentioned by name or due to the upcoming referendum they didn't see the significance of mentioning us as we are OUT of the circle??
oh and this report by the European fire board, could someone explain to me when America became part of Europe? Also I'm guessing that either the uk installs are superiorly safer than the rest of Europe as we weren't mentioned by name or due to the upcoming referendum they didn't see the significance of mentioning us as we are OUT of the circle??
And that somebody is big business. It certainly won't be you or I!
The rule makers have lost the plot and more importantly they have lost more credibility
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July 2018 12 months away? ("With the 18th Edition to the Wiring Regulations not too far off (it’s due to publish 1st July 2018")
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AFDD's
For F***s sake, do they not understand how many issues the USA have had bringing these in? I'll leave it to Tony to post the manufacturers testing guide as I can't currently find it.
In summery it's total guess work, and they don't have any way of testing them properly!
For F***s sake, do they not understand how many issues the USA have had bringing these in? I'll leave it to Tony to post the manufacturers testing guide as I can't currently find it.
In summery it's total guess work, and they don't have any way of testing them properly!
Surely it would be more prudent to make the rules around periodic inspections more stringent and god forbid get the insurance companies on it to toughen up the criteria for those doing the testing?
Is there any evidence that domestic installers are to blame for the arc faults, is it possible that it could be DIY'ers or ANother Unskilled trades person such as the window cleaner or the milkman?
These "arc faults" read as loose connections go undiscovered for years and I'm pretty sure that if installations were inspected more frequently and stringently then the problem would magically go away.
:yawn
Is there any evidence that domestic installers are to blame for the arc faults, is it possible that it could be DIY'ers or ANother Unskilled trades person such as the window cleaner or the milkman?
These "arc faults" read as loose connections go undiscovered for years and I'm pretty sure that if installations were inspected more frequently and stringently then the problem would magically go away.
:yawn
Here we go again, yet another knee jerk reaction to a non existent problem. The BS-EN is a photocopy of the UL testing procedures, test procedures written by the manufacturers.
The approved laboratory test methods are dubious to say the least. In situe testing methods are not practical.
An AFDD will not identify a high resistance joint as it has no arc signature. Once the joint has burnt sufficiently to form an arc the AFDD can detect it, unfortunately it also detects an inductive switching operation. The fridge turns off as normal, the AFDD sees that as a fault and turns the supply off.
American electricians detest them but they are now mandatory in some circuits/locations.
There’s only one faction that wants AFDD’s, the money grubbing manufacturers. They conned the NFPA-NEC in to accepting them with dubious claims of improving safety.
The system will be a lot safer, the bloody thing won’t stay switched on!
We don’t need them and don’t want them. It’s up to you lot to fight them as I’m supposed to be retired but I’ll help where I can.
The approved laboratory test methods are dubious to say the least. In situe testing methods are not practical.
An AFDD will not identify a high resistance joint as it has no arc signature. Once the joint has burnt sufficiently to form an arc the AFDD can detect it, unfortunately it also detects an inductive switching operation. The fridge turns off as normal, the AFDD sees that as a fault and turns the supply off.
American electricians detest them but they are now mandatory in some circuits/locations.
There’s only one faction that wants AFDD’s, the money grubbing manufacturers. They conned the NFPA-NEC in to accepting them with dubious claims of improving safety.
The system will be a lot safer, the bloody thing won’t stay switched on!
We don’t need them and don’t want them. It’s up to you lot to fight them as I’m supposed to be retired but I’ll help where I can.
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Hum... and how is that going to work?
Part P hasn't reduced the amount of unskilled people doing sparky work... and the scams so nothing about poor workmanship.... so who is there to police any of this?
I keep coming across people who have had building work done, they often have a Part P cert, but no EIC.......
put the responsibility on the homeowner via the insurance, I don't know :C it's got to be better than a new kind of protective device and a new book?
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That gives me 2 more years to sell the bloody house then I can RETIRE.
Also gives me 2 years to complete the wiring of the new house and issue the EIC under 17th.
That gives me 2 more years to sell the bloody house then I can RETIRE.
Also gives me 2 years to complete the wiring of the new house and issue the EIC under 17th.
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So it begs the question why introduce something that the yanks use already but still have 13% of fires caused by electrics???
surely if these things were any good then they'd cut supply prior to ignition?
Oh well time to get some shares in mfrs!!!
surely if these things were any good then they'd cut supply prior to ignition?
Oh well time to get some shares in mfrs!!!
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