HELP

[chez]

Not even sure if I should be on this forum as I

 

[steptoe]

headbang

you are in the right place,

and yes,

it does indeed sound like you had a gentleman with a stetson at your house

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the 10A 1 Gang 1 Way Switch fitted8cm away from my shower unit is illegal

and not only due to the 17th edition regs either.

 

[ProDave]

Yes the switch should be a pull cord if inside the bathroom.

Of course it could be 8cm from the shower on the other side of the wall and outside the bathroom and that would be perfectly okay.

More details please.

What's this "certificate of conformity"

It should be an Electrical installation certificate (EIC) or Minor works certificate (MWC) for electrical work.

 

[steptoe]

just to add to ProDave's comments, if the work was indeed carried out inside a bathroom it is classed as a 'special location' and therefore does indeed require to be notified to Building control, this is usually via being a member of a competent persons scheme.

 

[Andy™]

I have had another electrician look at the electrical work he carried out and he has told me that due to the 17th edition regulations the 10A 1 Gang 1 Way Switch fitted 8cm away from my shower unit is illegal and should be a pull switch is this correct?

nothing new, wasnt allowed in 16th either, and probably 15th & earlier

 

[chez]

Faults Found:-

Switch in bathroom is a flick switch not pull cord

Socket in living room - plug will not go into socket insides seem damaged

Light switch in living room - switch was moved from one side of the door to the other side however the wires have been left in the wall without a blanking box he just used a white clip thing to join two wires and run the wire to the other side of the door and then badly plastered over it so it is still exposed in places

He did the same in the dining room

Cables and wiring in landing airing cupboard wires are not covered exposed joining blocks its a mess

This cowboy is taking me to court for an unpaid final bill of just over 200 after ripping me of 8000 as the whole job is unfinished and badly done it

 

[ProDave]

Faults Found:- Switch in bathroom is a flick switch not pull cord

Socket in living room - plug will not go into socket insides seem damaged

Light switch in living room - switch was moved from one side of the door to the other side however the wires have been left in the wall without a blanking box he just used a white clip thing to join two wires and run the wire to the other side of the door and then badly plastered over it so it is still exposed in places

He did the same in the dining room

Cables and wiring in landing airing cupboard wires are not covered exposed joining blocks its a mess

This cowboy is taking me to court for an unpaid final bill of just over 200 after ripping me of 8000 as the whole job is unfinished and badly done it’s a nightmare

Bathroom switch does not comply.

Light switch wiring is dangerous and almost certainly not in safe zones (at least he didn't route it behind the door architrave)

Sounds like wrong junction box used in airing cupboard.

Did he actually issue you with an EIC (electrical installation certificate) or MWC?

If he hasn't issued the certificates, the job isn't finished so payment is not due.

If he has issued certificates, time to contact trading standards as his work is not up to standard. In fact contact them anyway.

Best get another electrician to do a PIR (periodic inspection report) on the work he has done. He will issue an EICR (electrical installation condition report) If that report says the work is dangerous and does not comply, present that in court, and copy it to trading standards.

Also, assuming you are in England or Wales, there's the matter of the work should have been notified to building control under Part P

 

[Zeespark]

Chez, get Trading Standards involved, it might be worth getting some quotes off of a few other builders for:

Finishing the job as it stands

How much it would cost to rectify outstanding issues

Competent advice on what your builder has done wrong

Is your builder affiliated to any building schemes at all?

AndyGuinness

 

[steptoe]

^

plus you will be able to counter claim for the costs involved in getting the EICR and any remedial works done too.

 

[chez]

An emailed certificate he sent me to say the work was good and complete whoever been told its worth nothing

other things we have found out are - Faults Found:-

Switch in bathroom is a flick switch not pull cord

Socket in living room - plug will not go into socket insides seem damaged

Light switch in living room - switch was moved from one side of the door to the other side however the wires have been left in the wall without a blanking box he just used a white clip thing to join two wires and run the wire to the other side of the door and then badly plastered over it so it is still exposed in places

He did the same in the dining room

Cables and wiring in landing airing cupboard wires are not covered exposed joining blocks its a mess

This cowboy is taking me to court for an unpaid final bill of just over 200 after ripping me of 8000 as the whole job is unfinished and badly done it

 

[steptoe]

we do have a member who eats sleeps and breathes the regs chez,

Im sure as soon as he reads this he will quote for you ad infinitum.

 

[Zeespark]

Chez, is it a full rewire that you have had done? or bits and pieces? if so get a competent electrician to fully check all of this individuals work,. It might cost

 

[a1]

Hello Chez, welcome to the forum - I am sorry to be greeting you under such circumstances.

Have you got any pics of all the mentioned items that you wish to add to the forum? No, problem if you prefer not to.

I don't know which way the law works? With regard to if it will go against you for having pics on here, if a case does develope, or if you could say, legally, that you wished to get further advice from electricians, hence why you have posted the pics?

I will leave it upto you. (But, I would suggest that you take photos of everything that you say he has done). And keep them safe, even after any possible case.

Certainly keep up informed of your situation, Chez.

 

[chez]

He told me that he was qualified and registered to carry out any work, however turns out not I could cry and cry!

Could someone please tell me the average cost of a PIR report to get an EICR (electrical installation condition report)

 

[Zeespark]

You can get an EICR (PIR in other words) for about

 

[Andy™]

He told me that he was qualified and registered to carry out any work, however turns out not I could cry and cry! Could someone please tell me the average cost of a PIR report to get an EICR (electrical installation condition report)

about

 

[chez]

You have all been very helpful and as soon as I have taken some pics I will upload them, will contact my local trading standards department monday. If anyone can link the broken regs to the problems I found this would be fab as I have 14days to compile a defence for court to say why i have not paid this cowboy his final bill. He not only did elec work but other building work which is of as poor standard has already had 8000 out of me.

 

[Zeespark]

Where in the UK are you Chez?

AndyGuinness

 

[Andy™]

Switch in bathroom is a flick switch not pull cord 701.512.3 - erection of switch gear and accessories. zone 1: SELV only, source outside zones. zone 2: as above & shaver unit

Socket in living room - plug will not go into socket insides seem damaged sounds more like a dodgy accessory rather than broken regs, but should still be sorted. does the socket orcircuit have RCD protection? (411.3.3).

Light switch in living room - switch was moved from one side of the door to the other side however the wires have been left in the wall without a blanking box he just used a white clip thing to join two wires and run the wire to the other side of the door and then badly plastered over it so it is still exposed in places

im guessing the cables hasnt been installed in a safe zone, so that would be 522.6.101. depending on join, it may also need to be accessible (526.3). does the lighting circuit have RCD protection for the cables in the wall? if not, 522.6.102, 522.6.103

He did the same in the dining room

Cables and wiring in landing airing cupboard wires are not covered exposed joining blocks its a messno requirement for T&E cables to be covered, although the joints must be. they shold also be adequately supported

This cowboy is taking me to court for an unpaid final bill of just over 200 after ripping me of 8000 as the whole job is unfinished and badly done it

 

[chez]

What is an RCD?