industrial

[dacosta]

Hi,

Does anyone know of a short course in industrial electrics. For example, control panels feeding 3 phase motors running through contactors, relays, emergency stop buttons, inverters etc. Fault finding etc.

Thanks

 

[steptoe]

yep,

I think they call them apprenticeships with industrial electrical companies.

:coat

 

[dacosta]

Doesn't sound very short. never mind u obviously didn't understand me.

 

[Andy™]

Doesn't sound very short. never mind u obviously didn't understand me.

an apprenticeship is 4 years for a reason

 

[dacosta]

So once I have achieved an apprenticeship, AM2, C&G in PAT testing, C&G in 17th, C&G in testing and inspection am part p registered and need more knowlege on a specific topic which was hardly touched in my apprentiship. Then you suggest I go on a 4 year apprenticeship? Great stuff. If you dont know the answer then your not an idiot for not typing anything. Just sit back and learn something, your obviously too trigger happy. Unemployed I assume.

 

[Andy™]

how about you try putting that in your first post. you aint going to get any hlp if you dont give the full story first

 

[apprentice87]

Hi Dacosta,

Hey, I can understand you being a little miffed, but saying things like "unemployed i assume" is a little strong... I can assure you that all the members on this forum genuinely try to help where they can, and more than a few of them, please believe me, are hugely hugely skilled, with massive knowledge and experience....

I know they might seem a little "abrasive" sometimes, but this is down to the amount of silly things that they have to sort out, that "would be experts" have had a go at..

One thing i CAN tell you from personal experience, is, once they discover someone that does not think they "know it all", and genuinely wants to learn, newbie or not, they will treat that person with the greatest of respect and do their utmost to point them in the right direction...

Please do not think i am having a dig... I am not, but rephrase your question a bit and explain a bit more and you honestly will find lots of help and good advice....

john..

 

[dacosta]

ok my apologies. As I said looking for a short course evenings or weekends fault diagnosis on control systems. Cant find anything on google or college courses. Based in south west London. Found a 2 day in houde course in Nottingham a while back.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Can I applaud the OP on this post. I am in the same boat. Just done am2, 17th edition etc.. and none of this stuff was covered. I would love to be more knowledgeable and experienced in the motors/ control side of things. Why don't some of you guys on here start a course. You'd get a few takers I'm sure. Here are two takers for starts, and with a bit of clever advertising....

 

[Manator]

The main problem with this industry, and it is the same with all trades at the moment, is that a 4 year apprenticeship is being replaced by fast track short courses that do nothing but provide income for training centers all over the country. When i did my training we covered all aspects of electrical work, in fact the largest part was in industrial and motors.

There is no fast track to knowledge, and I, along with most people on this forum learn something new each day. Training is always on going, I am due to retire, and yet I still learn something new especially from those members on this forum who are willing to ask and debate.

 

[steptoe]

right,

I'll have a quick attempt at trying to explain this,

house bashing/domestic electrics is probably what you have been trained in,

and now you want to gain some knowledge in the more com/ind side of things,

the major problem here is not only knowledge, but know how,

an ind spark can usually fall into domestic fairly quickly, simply takes a little time to learn the shortcuts(easy cable routes) etc,

for a DI to go the other way is a lot more than a short course, it is in fact virtually another apprenticeship,

if you have not done any comm/ind stuff during your app then you are not going to learn even the basics in less than 6months to a year,

3phase to start with, then you have all your galv, conduit, trunking, basket, tray,

if you think you can learn bending galv conduit in a month then try again, the same with setting metal trunking, or fabricating bespoke bends in tray even.

this is all before you start needing to select cable types, VD due to grouping and ambient temps,

and until you understand how to wire and calc cables and actually install stuff then you will always be on the back foot when it comes to fault finding, IMHO.

I learn more every day, and thanks to the good members on here, I learn even more than normal, cos they point me in the right direction,

good luck with finding a decent course and not a charlatan to take your money though.

 

[Bacon]

right,I'll have a quick attempt at trying to explain this,

house bashing/domestic electrics is probably what you have been trained in,

and now you want to gain some knowledge in the more com/ind side of things,

the major problem here is not only knowledge, but know how,

an ind spark can usually fall into domestic fairly quickly, simply takes a little time to learn the shortcuts(easy cable routes) etc,

for a DI to go the other way is a lot more than a short course, it is in fact virtually another apprenticeship,

if you have not done any comm/ind stuff during your app then you are not going to learn even the basics in less than 6months to a year,

3phase to start with, then you have all your galv, conduit, trunking, basket, tray,

if you think you can learn bending galv conduit in a month then try again, the same with setting metal trunking, or fabricating bespoke bends in tray even.

this is all before you start needing to select cable types, VD due to grouping and ambient temps,

and until you understand how to wire and calc cables and actually install stuff then you will always be on the back foot when it comes to fault finding, IMHO.

I learn more every day, and thanks to the good members on here, I learn even more than normal, cos they point me in the right direction,

good luck with finding a decent course and not a charlatan to take your money though.

True words spoken Steps.

 

[revjames]

Not being funny but the only way to learn about fault finding in industrial situations is to work in that environment and learn as you go. I don't think there is a course that can turn a housebasher (even one with PAT testing qualifications) into an industrial electrician. Not sure what route there is short of an apprenticeship in industry.

 

[steptoe]

Hi, Does anyone know of a short course in industrial electrics. For example, control panels feeding 3 phase motors running through contactors, relays, emergency stop buttons, inverters etc. Fault finding etc.

Thanks

perhaps you should have a go at trying to answer a couple of the questions that members have set in the learning section,

questions like these will be everyday stuff if you go for com/ind .

try this , as you are not a student you should find this really easy.

 

[Doc Hudson]

Hi, Does anyone know of a short course in industrial electrics. For example, control panels feeding 3 phase motors running through contactors, relays, emergency stop buttons, inverters etc. Fault finding etc.

Thanks

So once I have achieved an apprenticeship, AM2, C&G in PAT testing, C&G in 17th, C&G in testing and inspection am part p registered and need more knowlege on a specific topic which was hardly touched in my apprentiship. Then you suggest I go on a 4 year apprenticeship? Great stuff. If you dont know the answer then your not an idiot for not typing anything. Just sit back and learn something, your obviously too trigger happy. Unemployed I assume.

It has to be said that any competent person who has a reasonable grasp of basic electrical principals should realise that items such as PAT testing is about as much use as cycling proficiency when it come to electrical installation work and that 17th edition is just a brief overview of a few regulations. Neither of which have any content in relation to design install, testing or fault finding on electrical installations.

There is a fundamental flaw in this industry at the moment where domestic wiring courses that were originally put together to allow kitchen fitters, bathroom fitters and conservatory fitters do a few basic domestic alterations as part of their job and still comply with Part P building regulations without having to have the expense of employing a full time electrician to come and do their work for them, have been sold as full electrical installation courses.

Unfortunately many persons wanting to become full time electricians have been lured onto these courses thinking they are full comprehensive electrical installation course, but they are not. The standard C&G electrical course syllabus to my knowledge always used to cover motors, (single & 3-phase), Start-Delta arrangements, Power factor correction, Lighting, ballasts & trigger circuits and a lot of other things that carry no relevance in the average domestic installation. So these areas were left out of the so called Part-P courses.

As there is no equivalent statutory building regulation for commercial work to the part P domestic building regulation, then to my understanding, as expectedly, no body has bothered creating an industrial equivalent C&G to the domestic part P courses. So I dont think you will find any industrial short courses. I would think you need to get yourself employed by a larger electrical contractor who does a lot of commercial/industrial work then learn on the tools face to face with someone already doing it.

Doc H.

 

[Phoenix]

Like others have said, the only real way is to do it... get in which a firm that does industrial work, let them know your background and hopfully for the start you'll be on the two man jobs with other guys for a little bit. and you'll pick it up of the other guys, what really helps is if you find a collegue who is happy for you to ring him up for a few pointers, because non of us ever stop learning and its great to have someone who often had the answers you don't have