Led Ceiling panel wiring.

[Bassi]

Hi 

I have 18 led panels to put into 3 rooms.

3 Lamps per switch  and I will use a 3 gang switch in one room (9 lamps) then a 2 gang 2 way switch in the next room and finally a 1 gang switch in the last room.

I have done a drawing of how I think I should do it but I am not completely certain I have it right.

Wiring Diagram

Would some one be kind to have a look and tell me where I am wrong.

I was also thinking of using 4 Terminal Maintenance Free Junction Box by Hager and would appreciate any advice.

Thanking you in advance .

Kind regards 

Steve 

PS .. I am 62 , have an 8 month old daughter and will be working until I am 98 now , otherwise I would pay for an electrician

 

[Andy™]

lights 2 3 5 & 6 wont be doing much lighting

 

[ProDave]

The wiring diagram also bears little relationship to the switching arrangement described.
 

 

[Evans Electric]

As the guys have said , the wiring diagram is interesting but not practical .

I am making some assumptions from your description here .

There are :-

9 lights in room 1  each line of 3 on a separate switch .   3 gang switch

6 lights in room 2  each line of 3 on a separate switch  .  2 gang switch  

3 lights in room 3  all on 1 switch .

You need to alter your wiring diagram to so the live loops to all the  (c) terminals on all the switches .

With room 1 as an example , loop each line of 3 lights together & take a switched live from each row to the 3 gang switch . Stick each switched live in a switch on terminal  (L1)  .     Loop the neutral to every light fitting . 

Repeat for room 2  &1 

As we usually say on here , at all times make sure the power is switched off while you are messing with wiring. 

 

[poni]

3 Lamps per switch  and I will use a 3 gang switch in one room (9 lamps) then a 2 gang 2 way switch in the next room and finally a 1 gang switch in the last room.

???? pls why of you need a 3 gang in the first room then 2gang in the 2nd and 1gang in the last

would you not just have a one gang in each room?

your dig does leave a lot of links out so a lot of lights not working  also you have 2X 1 gangs in two rooms and only 6 lights

 

[ProDave]

???? pls why of you need a 3 gang in the first room then 2gang in the 2nd and 1gang in the last

would you not just have a one gang in each room?

your dig does leave a lot of links out so a lot of lights not working  also you have 2X 1 gangs in two rooms and only 6 lights

Because the OP said 3 lights per switch as Deke described.
 

 

[Bassi]

As the guys have said , the wiring diagram is interesting but not practical .

I am making some assumptions from your description here .

There are :-

9 lights in room 1  each line of 3 on a separate switch .   3 gang switch

6 lights in room 2  each line of 3 on a separate switch  .  2 gang switch  

3 lights in room 3  all on 1 switch .

You need to alter your wiring diagram to so the live loops to all the  (c) terminals on all the switches .

With room 1 as an example , loop each line of 3 lights together & take a switched live from each row to the 3 gang switch . Stick each switched live in a switch on terminal  (L1)  .     Loop the neutral to every light fitting . 

Repeat for room 2  &1 

As we usually say on here , at all times make sure the power is switched off while you are messing with wiring. 

I have made a new diagram, and wondered if this looks better and if it is inline with what you have said.

I am not sure about the 2 way switching.

Many thanks and regards 

Steve 

Updated Diagram

 

[Lurch]

Who knows?

It all looks a bit "when all you have is a hammer....". There's electrically correct but then there's also "why the hell would anyone even do it like that" which is what I feel we will end up with here.

 

[Bassi]

I fail to understand people. Is rudeness meant to be funny? 

I wish I had the money to pay an electrician, but I don't, so I have to do the best I can. 

I am trying and have spent time and effort to make a plan.

I came to this forum as it said it was friendly and helpful, hoping to get some advice and not a lot of clever remarks.

Happy Christmas to you all

 

[ProDave]

What you are trying to do is "loop at light" which I would say for this type of light in inappropriate. At the very least it means a junction box near each string of lights up in the loft.

I would wire it "loop at switch" so you loop a lighting feed cable to each switch. From there a cable goes to each light string. If the light fittings can accommodate 2 cables it totally avoids any need for junction boxes in the loft.

 

 

[Andy™]

there is a difference between helping someone with something simple, and then trying to teach someone how to safely wire multiple lights without killing themselves or someone else when they dont even understand the basics

 

[Lurch]

I fail to understand people.

Me too.

Is rudeness meant to be funny? 

Not AFAIAA.

I wish I had the money to pay an electrician, but I don't, so I have to do the best I can.

You make it sound like you have no option to fit all these LED ceiling panels on the cheap. Is this whole project costing nothing? If you can't afford to do it properly there is also the option of just not doing it, which is the cheapest way of any option if money is of concern.

I am trying and have spent time and effort to make a plan.

That's fine, but I was saying you seem to have come for advice many steps into the project so at this point with the limited info provided I couldn't really see exactly what you were trying to do. It's all a bit vague.

I have seen plenty of jobs done by unskilled DIYers with half an idea of some aspect of electrics, which is where they then stop bothering and then just use the 3 pages of the Wickes guide to wiring your house as their entire knowledge base for any electrical project. You will find pretty much all of the contributors here are time served and have years and years of training. You didn't come here and ask a simple query, you came here and asked for pretty much an entire "how to wire half my house" guide.

I came to this forum as it said it was friendly and helpful, hoping to get some advice and not a lot of clever remarks.

See above.

Happy Christmas to you all

Bah humbug.

 

[steptoe]

Room1 

3 banks of 3,  1way switching 

Room2

1 bank of 6, 2 way switching

Room3

1 bank of 3, 1 way switching

Is that what you wanted,?

BTW, that's not how I'd wire it, but that's the simple way.

Art is not my forte,  

 

[Evans Electric]

Bassi  I've tried to simplify what you are trying to do .   This is the 9 light room , just do the same in the others . 

 

[rapparee]

Are youse all soft are what?

Bassi spat the dummy, and now people are drawing him out wiring diagrams because he is too tight to pay a spark.

DIY is acceptable to change the odd accessory not rewire half a lighting circuit.

 

[Sharpend]

Art is not my forte,  

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No kid!! 

I thought you'd drawn the story board for the sequel to Jurassic park? 

 

[steptoe]

Are youse all soft are what?

Bassi spat the dummy, and now people are drawing him out wiring diagrams because he is too tight to pay a spark.

DIY is acceptable to change the odd accessory not rewire half a lighting circuit.

It's Darwinism, 

If he's mad enough to do it himself with no idea then it will sort itself out.

 

[Bassi]

lights 2 3 5 & 6 wont be doing much lighting

Many thanks to everyone that has helped me.

I now understand and know what to do.

Much appreciated.

The project is for a small youth club in London, on a council estate and has no money, no funding but some good kids.

I have a small printing business in the area and try and help where I can.

We had outrageous quotes from some companies in the area , one was as I say £14,000 , another was £8,000.

I have the time to help but not the knowledge and I did my best to work it out , but I needed to be sure so that it is safe.

Once I have finished, I have arranged for a qualified electrician to come and inspect and test and give a certificate.

So the kids can have their club , safe and bright all for under £600.

So did I spit the dummy and am I too tight .. Probably.

Thanks once again especially Evans and Steptoe.

 

[Lurch]

Feel free to take this the wrong way entirely but if there was a quote for £8k and you reckon it will all be done for under £600 then there is a lot not getting done that was on the quote.

 

[ProDave]

Many thanks to everyone that has helped me.

I now understand and know what to do.

Much appreciated.

The project is for a small youth club in London, on a council estate and has no money, no funding but some good kids.

I have a small printing business in the area and try and help where I can.

We had outrageous quotes from some companies in the area , one was as I say £14,000 , another was £8,000.

I have the time to help but not the knowledge and I did my best to work it out , but I needed to be sure so that it is safe.

Once I have finished, I have arranged for a qualified electrician to come and inspect and test and give a certificate.

So the kids can have their club , safe and bright all for under £600.

So did I spit the dummy and am I too tight .. Probably.

Thanks once again especially Evans and Steptoe.

TWO things jump out from that statement.

1) if this is a public building then FFS do NOT go wiring it as a DIY job. If you want to bodge the wiring in your own home, carry on, put please not in a public building especially one used by children. I am willing to bet you do NOT have public liability insurance to do that sort of work do you?

2) Why have people been quoting £14K to wire 3 rooms worth of lighting? Even £600 sounds plenty for a qualified electrician to do it. What are you not telling us?