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for those of you who may be interested in the follow up on sky news from last nights major police incident, Raoul Moat killed himself by a shot gun to his neck/head, at 1.15am, he was officially pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital at 2.20am. The seige is finally over, and at least all of the people in that small village can now rest a little knowing that that gunman is no longer a danger to any one,

 
Yes, Thanks Badge - It was inevitable that was going to happen though, wasn't it?

 
It doesnt matter if he is a relative of mine or not.

I bet if the tables were turned you wouldnt be saying the same.

Unless of course, you came from a dis-functional family.

I also see that many are quite happy to joke about it on a thread, were innocent lives have been lost.

I doubt the relatives of those people see the funny side of it.

 
Now i really feel for those who have lost loved ones and friends at the actions of this person, however, if he were a relative of mine I would be asking the police marksman how I could take his weapon off him and end the situation sooner rather than later without getting into trouble.

I'm sorry once a person has gone to this place I honestly don't believe there is a return from it.

Before anyone says, you don't understand, I have had death threats from a gun owner, he did not have the weapon in his hands at the time however, he did promise to kill me prior to assaulting me should certain things happen. He had also been violent to me in the past.

This is in the hands of the authorities at the moment, so I do have some minor appreciation.

I also realise that I am now the pot calling the kettle black.

However, there are situations and situations. My comments above are not that I would shoot him remember...

 
And would you say the same if it was one of your relatives?
What about the relatives of the MURDERED and injured, Im surprised at a time as this you seem to worried about consequence of the idiot gunman.

 
I am not causing an argument at all and my posts are not that way.

Yes, what he did was awful, HOWEVER, im sorry but im not the only one thinking this.

And as i said, you are all quite happy to joke about it when there were innocent people killed.

My comments are exactly that.

I dont see the need to back them up.

Anyway, i am not saying anymore on the matter.

 
As bizarre and contentious as this may seem, I actually feel very sorry for Moat. I worked as a professional full time doorman for many many years in some of the roughest cities / towns in our land. I have been witness to many horrors and had hands in things that only appear in films and your worst nightmares. Sadly, Moat's life was one that many professional bouncers find themselves in, me included in my dark distant past which was the stereotypical life of violence, steroids, organised crime etc. The lifestyle eventually takes a strangle hold over you and it becomes a debauched way of existing. You train to increase size, take 'gear' to increase size, which in turn does have psychological effects. You grow big, spend your life inflicting pain (both on and off the doors) and in a sick way you enjoy it - it becomes your lifeblood that you need to survive. Aggression and anger are at the forefront of your psyche and character and it doesn't take much to send you over the 'edge'. I was lucky and had a return ticket!

My belief is that Moat was a good man, dillusional, angry, violent and DESPERATE. That alone is enough to try the best of us. However, in a man who treads a fine line between good and bad daily it soon becomes a reality. Now hear me before you all throw stones in my direction - I do not condone in any way shape or form what this man did. I simply understand and have empathy for a man caught in a bad situation which to be fair - most will never venture into or begin to understand. He crossed the line for sure but he wasn't mad - just had ALL the wrong buttons pushed in / out of prison.

If you don't get my meaning - watch the film 'Falling Down' with Michael Douglas - it will put everything I have written into perspective. We are all capable of the most despicable and heinous of acts - it is just that most have the ability to rationalise. Maybe he didn't or lost it somewhere along the way.

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone touched by this tragedy.

 
I also see that many are quite happy to joke about it on a thread, were innocent lives have been lost.I doubt the relatives of those people see the funny side of it.
I see nobody joking here, it is a serious respectful thread.

I would like to ask init
 
I stayed up until after 2.00 this morning watching this unfold.

It is undoubtedly a serious tragedy but we must remember he killed one person and shot two others. I couldn't see him walking out of this - he was going to shoot himself or be shot. I do think that may be for the best. Even if it was a relative of mine. I am in favour of capital punishment for such crimes. There's not exactly any doubt about his guilt.

The people I feel sorry for are his relatives, his victims relatives and the policemen who watched him blow his brains out. I think the police did a cracking job of protecting the public at large. 10% of all armed police in the country were there!

 
I see nobody joking here, it is a serious respectful thread.
He said "a thread" you are talking about this thread, you are both right.

It does strike me as argumentative.
Good lord yes, isn't that the point of the forum?

It would be respectful to do so, as everyone else does.
No they damned well don't, and some of them get most uppity when they are challenged about it!

Threads like this must remain respectful.
Agreed.

 
Good job the buggers dead, that's what I say and I don't care who disagrees.

Now he's gone he won't be hurting anyone else. Once someone takes a life I don't think there's any turning back. I think M4tty's remark is justified, I've worked in a prison and a lot of the people in them will freely admit it's not always a bad place to be. It's warm, you get 3 square meals and it's the tax payers who are paying.

No one is joking here. This is a very serious matter.

 
Does not stop it being a sad, far reaching affair. Could have been prevented a long time ago too by the sounds of it - can't help but wonder if the prison system and police actually partly let Moat down. Did he even take his own life? How would we know?? 10% of the countries firearms officers in attendance and one marksman receives the order to end the whole thing. Not totally out of the realms of possibility now is it!?

 
What about the relatives of the MURDERED and injured, Im surprised at a time as this you seem to worried about consequence of the idiot gunman.
How is his death any less painful for his family than the deaths of the others for their familles?

 
How is his death any less painful for his family than the deaths of the others for their familles?
Because they knew it was coming, even his mother said he'd be better off dead. The victims and their families were innocent and now their lives are ruined, turned upside down by a total psycho.

 
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