National campaign for licencing of electrical contractors

[m4tty]

http://l-e-c.org.uk/

thought someone may be interested

 

[Badger]

registered my vote...

 

[Theorysparky]

I wont be voting..

and heres why

Here in the UK, we have ill conceived, profit driven schemes.

Pay your money, do a short course, possibly a 4 week course and you are let loose to do any electrical work in a domestic property. All condoned by the numerous assessment bodies that are entrusted with maintaining standards.

The excuses they come up with to justify their policies just don

 

[ProDave]

I won't be voting either.

I live and work in Soctland where we are not troubled by Part P and the associated burden of paperwork that goes with it.

So I am free to do the job of an electrician, with the only paperwork needed being accounting, and certificates. Quite manageable and not to time consuming.

If I were forced to pay hundreds of

 

[PC Electrics]

I shalln't be signing up either.

I was going to write a long rant about why, but I will instead simply quote from friend PD above (with a minor change or two):

"The real way to improve standards and get rid of the cowboys is for trading standards and LABC to come down hard on any case of reported sub standard workmanship and prosecute those doing unsafe work, and make a big thing of it. That does not require any schemes or cost to the tradesman, ...... Instead as we all know, it's very rare indeed for that to happen, so cowboys continue to get away with cheap sub standard, even dangerous, work."

As for Part P adding a "ton of paperwork to every job", sorry that just isn't so. The only burdens are the cost of membership (around

 

[PC Electrics]

PD, I think the "electriciansforums" you refer to is not this forum.

Admin??

 

[jl-heating]

i voted .. seemed a good idea.

 

[a1]

P.S

I object to seeing : "We the members at electrical forum are in full support in your campaign" on that page. Not ALL members of this forum support this.

That forum is nothing to do with us. That Forum, is showing their support for it - See my post below, for who has done it.

 

[a1]

PD, I think the "electrician forum" you refer to is not this forum.Admin??

Quite correct, PC...

This was NOT set up by ANY Electrican Forum. It was set up by a Chap called Stephen M Tucker, who is the Managing Director of an Electrical Contratcting Company called "Fusion Electric Limited", in Yeovil, Somerset.

 

[ElectekAir]

The only way to get rid of cowboys is to make 7671 mandatory and make it illegal to do electrics if you are not a time served electrician.

These 3 week courses in my opinion do not make you an electrician only a apprenticeship does (mine was 7 years) only time and experience can

If anyone finds part p a burden on their business then quite frankly i don't think they should be in business -+

 

[septiclecky]

The only way to get rid of cowboys is to make 7671 mandatory and make it illegal to do electrics if you are not a time served electrician.These 3 week courses in my opinion do not make you an electrician only a apprenticeship does (mine was 7 years) only time and experience can

If anyone finds part p a burden on their business then quite frankly i don't think they should be in business -+

 

[ElectekAir]

5-Day wonders won't like you :innocent :^O :Applaud ROTFWL

I did think that but don't care I am saying whay every time served guy thinks anyway

 

[jimleen]

Howdy,

Can't see it working. How many jobs have you lost out on because the customer found someone "better" - i.e. barely qualified, thinks the 17th Edition is for wimps... but he's cheap.

Even though there's Part P down south, it's as naive to think that every notifiable job is being notified as it is to think that all the work is by approved contractors. You might need to take a deep breath after reading that last bit!

And finally, this should get some abuse, we do ourselves no favours. Condemning domestic electrics, recommending rewires etc because it's a 3036 fusebox under the stairs does my head in. So if we in the trade disagree about procedure, what bl00dy chance have customers got? Especially if they discover that Poles can do the work, at a fraction of the cost, and houses don't go on fire. Although they probably will.

Regards

 

[Theorysparky]

I did think that but don't care I am saying whay every time served guy thinks anyway

Dont tar everybody with the same brush mate

Ive stood in the wholesalers listening to the 'time served guys' who are so far up their own backsides its laughable

ever been to a job where one of these guys who do comercial/industrial all day long tries a domestic job and its pants

Im not tarring you with the same brush but take an open view.

i agree with you about some 5 day wonders they have not got a clue and pontentially dangerous,the stories i get from my assessor is scarry

finished my rant ut the kettle on

 

[ianmacd]

I did think that but don't care I am saying whay every time served guy thinks anyway

I truly hope you are wrong there. Some of the worst and most dangerous work I have ever seen has been done by your so called 'time served guys'. They do not bother with part P as they would never pass an assessment. They are arrogant and believe because they learned something 20 years ago its still relevant today and they do not need to keep up to date.

These people are far more dangerous to the industry that 50% of all your so called '5 day wonders'.

I also will not be signing that.

 

[Andy™]

good idea in theory, but this country/government is not capable of something like this

 

[Theorysparky]

the only way its going to change for the better is.....

PUBLIC AWARENESS

how do you do that.....tv .advertising campaign

who should fund it

part p providers etc and government

 

[ianmacd]

the only way its going to change for the better is.....PUBLIC AWARENESS

how do you do that.....tv .advertising campaign

who should fund it

part p providers etc and government

And the NIC pulled out of such a campaign too.

 

[Theorysparky]

With an attitude like that i have a question

Do these Part P people not have a 'duty of care' to proctect us from cowboy sparks and do everything in their power to do this ???

and the NIC come out with that... X(

Think about the Police we pay for

they have a 'duty of care' to protect us from criminals

just a thought

 

[sparkyrj]

I generally only do commercial work, so its not worth me being part p registered.I keep up with all the reg changes, and have c+G 2391, but i resent the fact that i cannot do work in certain parts of my own home, so licensing would be good for me rather than part P.