No Part P Certificate

[Sharpend]

The facts remain that all you need to do was check the install was satisfactory and issue an eicr, what the blazes it has to do with the labc is beyond me, are you competent to make a professional judgement as to whether an install is safe and/or compliant if so why do you need the blessings of the labc who are probably the least competent to know? 

You probably could've got the LFB to pop round and confirm they were happy with the tightness of terminations within the cu and all would have been well with the world! 

Sorry to rant but what you have done is charged the innocent twice to not please them nor yourself that it was ok but to please the system that fails us? 

I said it once I'll say it again, if you are satisfied that something has been installed to the regualtions no court or policeman is going to do any harm to you. They are simply not that stupid, could you imagine the headlines- a qualified spark certified install as compliant and safe, only for judge to tell him otherwise!!

 

[Andy™]

not quite sure who the 'cowboy' was here?

 

[No1]

That's a sledgehammer to crack a nut solution.

So they were stung by an unregistered electrician who charged for a new consumer unit last year, and now the "solution" is to charge them to replace a probably perfectly good 3 month old consumer unit with another new one?  :C

Thats what they wanted, that's what they got.

Thing is , No. 1  ,  we can't go round condemning plastic C/U, s ,  if they were fitted prior to this year they are fine . 

I'm not saying we should, I just wanted to cover my own back and make sure I did the job right. Especially as I was notifying the work.

The facts remain that all you need to do was check the install was satisfactory and issue an eicr, what the blazes it has to do with the labc is beyond me, are you competent to make a professional judgement as to whether an install is safe and/or compliant if so why do you need the blessings of the labc who are probably the least competent to know? 

You probably could've got the LFB to pop round and confirm they were happy with the tightness of terminations within the cu and all would have been well with the world! 

Sorry to rant but what you have done is charged the innocent twice to not please them nor yourself that it was ok but to please the system that fails us? 

I said it once I'll say it again, if you are satisfied that something has been installed to the regualtions no court or policeman is going to do any harm to you. They are simply not that stupid, could you imagine the headlines- a qualified spark certified install as compliant and safe, only for judge to tell him otherwise!!

Sorry but I have not charged them twice at all. If you are going to rant at least get the facts correct.

 

[No1]

not quite sure who the 'cowboy' was here?

Well I am and it isn't me. Customers happy. I have done what they requested.

 

[ProDave]

Well I am and it isn't me. Customers happy. I have done what they requested.

Did they phone you and say "could you come and fit a new consumer unit"? then?

Or did they phone you with the lack of paperwork issue, and instead of offering to test it and certify that the installation was "satisfactory" you just said it needs replacing?

 

[Sharpend]

Thats what they wanted, that's what they got.

I'm not saying we should, I just wanted to cover my own back and make sure I did the job right. Especially as I was notifying the work.

Sorry but I have not charged them twice at all. If you are going to rant at least get the facts correct.

So this was a job you done for free? 

 

[Murdoch]

I'm VERY confused.

Customer has paid out £700 for what?

Did you give your time and materials free of charge?

 

[No1]

Did they phone you and say "could you come and fit a new consumer unit"? then?

Or did they phone you with the lack of paperwork issue, and instead of offering to test it and certify that the installation was "satisfactory" you just said it needs replacing?

FFS you are unbelievable, they phoned me to sort out some outside lights that had stopped working after the previous electrician had been. I traced the cables for the lights to a switch in a kitchen cupboard, the out going cable to the lights had been cut off where they went through the wall and had been left live. I asked why they hadn't got the electrician back to sort the lights and they told me that they could not contact him. I know of this electrician and know he is still trading so I asked if he had provided an installation certificate and notified the work, obviously he hadn't. I have had a previous phone call from another gentleman who had used the same electrician and was selling his property, his solicitor required a part p certificate for the work done but again the electrician had not issued one, I declined to do any work on this occasion. I mentioned this to the couple and they said that they didn't want any problems when they came to sell there property and asked if I could notify it for them. I told them I could possibly provide an EICR and then notify if everything was safe but also mentioned that metal consumer units were fitted now. They said they would prefer a metal one so that is what I have installed. If I was trying to get extra work by fitting a metal consumer unit I would have just fitted one, I wouldn't have come on here asking for advice about EICR and notifying would I?

I hope this has answered your question.

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

Now that seems fair enough,  you cant blame others for thinking you were ripping off people without the full story.

 

[Sharpend]

There in lies the problem with few facts, a full story paints a better picture. 

 

[No1]

Now that seems fair enough,  you cant blame others for thinking you were ripping off people without the full story.

True, but that's the problem people spout off without knowing the full story. Still that's the internet for you.

 

[No1]

So this was a job you done for free? 

No I have charged them but only once. Do you think I should have done it for nothing? Do you work for free?

 

[Sharpend]

True, but that's the problem people spout off without knowing the full story. Still that's the internet for you.

Sorry not accepting that. No one came on here spouting off, they couldn't possibly without drivelling on about nothing. You started the post and therefore the responsibility lies with you to present the story for which others will comment upon- now that's the Internet for you! 

 

[steptoe]

I don't think you should have changed it at all,

Did you explain the reasons why metal CUs were now fitted, and that they weren't really necessary at all,? 

 

[Sharpend]

No I have charged them but only once. Do you think I should have done it for nothing? Do you work for free?

So forgive me for simple maths here, a n other charges for a job, you come along and charge for a job of same nature thus equating paying twice for one job? 

 

[No1]

Customer has had as new consumer unit (plastic) fitted just before Christmas by a previous electrician. They haven't been given an installation certificate and it hasn't been notified (electrician not registered with anyone).

Do I just need to do an EICR, rectify any code 1 (note consumer unit doesn't comply with current regs), and then notify it through my scheme?

Thanks.

Sorry not accepting that. No one came on here spouting off, they couldn't possibly without drivelling on about nothing. You started the post and therefore the responsibility lies with you to present the story for which others will comment upon- now that's the Internet for you! 

 

[Sharpend]

Customer has had as new consumer unit (plastic) fitted just before Christmas by a previous electrician. They haven't been given an installation certificate and it hasn't been notified (electrician not registered with anyone).

Do I just need to do an EICR, rectify any code 1 (note consumer unit doesn't comply with current regs), and then notify it through my scheme?

Thanks.

So to be clear, at this point you were asking a question as you weren't sure what you had to do? 

I know, I never said you did.

In the past when I have been asked to do them I have always refused, however, this was an elderly couple who have been stung for £700 so I wanted to help them out of I could.

Yes that's what I meant, third party certification. I just wasn't sure if I would need to change the consumer unit for metal or not to cover my own back.

I have fitted a new metal consumer unit today and have supplied an installation certificate and notified the work so all is good.

Thank you those who have posted sensible replies.

Then either I'm to believe you dashed off between posts and fitted a metal cu or you DIDNT provide the FULL story at the outset? 

 

[No1]

I don't think you should have changed it at all,

Did you explain the reasons why metal CUs were now fitted, and that they weren't really necessary at all,? 

I told them what the current regulation was and they made there own decision. Is that OK?

So forgive me for simple maths here, a n other charges for a job, you come along and charge for a job of same nature thus equating paying twice for one job? 

Its quite simple really. I charged them once for the work I did, the first electrician charged them before. Do you understand now?

 

[No1]

So to be clear, at this point you were asking a question as you weren't sure what you had to do? 

Then either I'm to believe you dashed off between posts and fitted a metal cu or you DIDNT provide the FULL story at the outset? 

I was asking a question you are correct, as I wasn't sure what to do. I then dashed off and fitted a metal consumer unit, again you are correct.

 

[Sharpend]

I never didn't understand.

you proclaimed to want to help them as they were an old couple, so we have offered options as to what you could've done, some which would have helped by keeping the expense to a minimum to help you help the old couple, by your own admission you replaced the new board with a newer board so can only deduce that you charge the same for an eicr as you do for a full board change? 

As has been suggested a plastic board installed at the time was reg compliant so therefore a simple confirmation with a satisfactory eicr would be sufficient? 

But I suppose, providing your elderly customers were happy to pay then no harm done!