OMG

[kerching]

If you look closely there is a lable s aying when the Immersion heater element was changed for a Titanium one!

.....missing grommet on the adaptable box!

 

[Sidewinder]

More than one pass though surely?

I would have stuck 100A in probably doubled up, but then I carry 100A in the van, legacy from customer of old.

IMHO the N fuse should be rated > the DNO fuse in the line, so basically a solid link.

Say 5 or 6 twisted strands of 30A wire would be fine perhaps.

Please don't leave it like that.

 

[binky]

My take on this is the following:-

we are allowed to maintain an old system, so provided insulation doesn't crumble at the dodgy light switches and subject to retest afterwards, than that is allowable. I don't really want to fit any form of RCDs - old people just get confused and her old appliances will almost certainly cause tripping. However, fire risk is possible, so upgrading boards seems a good idea, RCBOs maybe. I particularly don't want to do anything with the socket cct. Lighting should be OK - also need to write long risk assessment to cover bottom!

Failing that council will only pay for surface re-wire, though I reckon we can pull cables up old conduit. Conduit is all bonded incidentally

More than one pass though surely?

I would have stuck 100A in probably doubled up, but then I carry 100A in the van, legacy from customer of old.

IMHO the N fuse should be rated > the DNO fuse in the line, so basically a solid link.

Say 5 or 6 twisted strands of 30A wire would be fine perhaps.

Please don't leave it like that.

 chance of blowing 30A fuse wire compared to 5 A in Live is pretty low, but late afternoon didn't have much choice - bettet than old lady falling down stairs.

 

[Rob_the_rich]

the one that says water heaters over x litres (20iirc) are to be on their own circuit

I can't find one. There is H5 in the OSG but no corresponding reg no.

Pretty sure it is building reg related (G3?), so would be relevant to osg.

Re; old lady, is she aware that she may need to replace either fuse of a circuit if it fails? I thought the reg came about because people might not be aware that the live would still be live. She may be used to this. But it seems very unlikely.

 

[binky]

Probably doesn't know how to change a fuse. Boards are in cellar just to really help things  - this is part of the reason I don't want to fit highly sensitive RCDs. In my experience they just confuse the hell out of the elderly who have never had them before.

 

[Andy™]

Your regs book obviously uses a different numbering system to mine then, do you have a translation from those words into an actual regulation number?

cant remember exact wording and dont have regs here. ill have a look tomorrow if i remember

 

[Davethsparky]

I can't find one. There is H5 in the OSG but no corresponding reg no.

Pretty sure it is building reg related (G3?), so would be relevant to osg.

Re; old lady, is she aware that she may need to replace either fuse of a circuit if it fails? I thought the reg came about because people might not be aware that the live would still be live. She may be used to this. But it seems very unlikely.

You cannot give a code on an eicr for a non compliance with a building reg.

 

[Sidewinder]

the one that says water heaters over x litres (20iirc) are to be on their own circuit

Sorry Andy, I can't find a 7671 reg to back that up, it was in the back of my mind too TBH.

H5 in OSG, there is some stuff in GN1 & 2, but no reg to back it up.

As Rob has said it may be a building regs thing.

I'll search the Building regs guide now.

(One of the only advantages of the electronic regs, WHEN and IF the damned things work!)

You cannot give a code on an eicr for a non compliance with a building reg.

Very true Dave, but, you could associate it with the EICR.

 

[Davethsparky]

Probably doesn't know how to change a fuse. Boards are in cellar just to really help things  - this is part of the reason I don't want to fit highly sensitive RCDs. In my experience they just confuse the hell out of the elderly who have never had them before.

Yeah, don't want to confuse the old people with devices which could save their lives when their knackered old appliances finally give up the ghost an go faulty. 

If there are faults present which cause the RCD to trip then they may well be faults which could kill a person, 

 

[Rob_the_rich]

You cannot give a code on an eicr for a non compliance with a building reg.

I don't do eicrs Dave, so I won't :innocent

 

[binky]

may kill, like falling down cellar stairs may kill. It'a real pickle, ideally all old appliances would be replaced to boot

 

[Rob_the_rich]

Switched fuse and relocate CU to ground floor, or just inside cellar door?

 

[binky]

Good idea, meter tails need replacing anyway. The only new electrical item is the meter, the tails are 10mm cloth covered (imperial equivalent)

 

[Davethsparky]

may kill, like falling down cellar stairs may kill. It'a real pickle, ideally all old appliances would be replaced to boot

If she cannot maintain the house or walk around it safely then she shouldn't be living there.

 

[binky]

she's quite agile still, but cellar steps are narrow wooden things. House is a mess maintenance wise, but she keeps it reasonably clean. Council are slowly doing repairs to help her maintain independent living, but I don't know how the finances work. Think she has to pay towards costs. House is a small mid terrace 2 up, 2 down with small kitchen bathroom tenement, no doubt small pension and some limited savings.

 

[Essex1]

Is this a council owns property?

 

[Rob_the_rich]

All you can do is your best binky, which I am sure you will do.

my CU is in an understairs cupboard. When you open the door a light comes on, surface wiring, not RCD protected.

 

[binky]

no, unfortuanetly not. Essex - otherise it wouldn't be as it is. Classic case of not looking ater the elderly who have worked to get a little house and save a few pennies. Hubby must have died at least 10 years ago. Don't know about family or relatives.

I certainly have been trying hard for the old girl - pointed out to council fella that old wiring is probably  a fire risk, just waiting to hear back. This job will be at cost, or near as damn it. Inclusive of emergency lighting where appropiate, and additional circuits for the cellar. I will also see if I can pull in some decent second hand appliances from charity connections. A.N.Other has already quoted for a full re-wire, I'm guessing the money isn't available, mind you the price was a bit steep for a surface job! Since then quote for lights only has been produced. This is my conundrum, no money ( or very little), and a system that really needs replacing. However test results are pretty good, so maintenance is an option????

 

[Essex1]

What is the ball park figure for this job? I would be willing to supply all the materials. There are a lot of members here. We could do this and really look after a lady that needs us. 

 

[steptoe]

I need a holiday,

Canoe has promised me dancing girls for ages,