Part p

[Rob69]

its a refurb! with new CU's,restaurant,stand,kithen,turnstiles,first aid room,medical rooms as well as upgrading old circuits

 

[ianmacd]

You need to comply with part M

 

[Rob69]

Where can i get a free copy of part M ?

 

[philbas]

In the download section of the forum

 

[m4tty]

pm me your email and ill email it over or it may be in downloads section hth

 

[SteveT]

If you are replacing in existing dwelling (Part P, DDA), sockets etc can be placed in the original posistion. The 480-1200mm applies to new build only - not refurb, although there may be local regs in force.

 

[ianmacd]

You may want to read the thread properly as it states it not a dwelling.

 

[Manator]

Any commercial refurb that is under the control of the LABC will still have to comply with Part M which is what Ian is suggesting.

You could in theory, do the rewire to the requirements of the client and on the EIC state a deviation. You can not be held responsible for the aptitude of the ignorant.

 

[SteveT]

You may want to read the thread properly as it states it not a dwelling.

Yes I know - but it has been established that this is a commercial project, therefore part P does not apply -the point is that a re-furb - unless a public building can be reinstated to original condition as regards positioning.

Not an esay on the project!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Manator]

Yes I know - but it has been established that this is a commercial project, therefore part P does not apply -the point is that a re-furb - unless a public building can be reinstated to original condition as regards positioning.Not an esay on the project!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a commercial install and would have to provide access to disabled unless special reasons are allowed, for instance historic building , in which case portable access would need to be supplied. As far as the electrical installation is concerned it should be to all standards, unless exceptions have been given. Access to public buildings, is very defined, and anyone who proceeds with any alterations without due consideration to the requirements can fall very foul with the laws.

 

[ianmacd]

There are 2 exemptions from Part M. They are:

(a) an extension of or material alteration of a dwelling; or(B) any part of a building which is used solely to enable the building or any service or fitting in the building to be inspected, repaired or maintained.

Clearly (a) does not apply and (B) is not likely to either so Part M has to be followed.

 

[gordy71]

The way i see this is that as long as your work is making the property no less compliant with the regs than it already is then you can have the sockets at the same height. But it sounds like there is extensive work going on so i shouldnt think it would be much hardship for the heights of the sockets/switches to change? I am only getting this info from part p, which obviously doesnt apply in this situation! Does part M make reference to changes/ alterations to existing installations?

 

[ianmacd]

The way i see this is that as long as your work is making the property no less compliant with the regs than it already is then you can have the sockets at the same height. But it sounds like there is extensive work going on so i shouldnt think it would be much hardship for the heights of the sockets/switches to change? I am only getting this info from part p, which obviously doesnt apply in this situation! Does part M make reference to changes/ alterations to existing installations?

You need to rethink that then as that may apply to dwellings but not other buildings. Suggest you read Approved Document M.

 

[gordy71]

Ok thanks for the suggestion Ian, will read it when i get a chance. So that is the definitive answer to rob69s question? The socket heights must be to the current standards?

 

[ianmacd]

Yes. If it was a dwelling then it would be a different story.

 

[gordy71]

Well done Ian, think you have single handedly made this thread your own, and i must say im v. impressed with your knowledge of regs etc from other threads i have read. Great resource for youngsters like myself who are encountering new situations on a daily basis, to have guys willing to share their experience and knowledge.

 

[philbas]

In this case part P doesent apply ( I hope we can all agree ont that)

but, part M does apply, so put the sockets at the correct height

 

[Rob69]

i will re-iterate gordy's comment and thank you all !