Periodic

[Sidewinder]

They are required by most persons ordering the work.Competence is another thing altogether.

There are many, many ways to prove this, however, if you have insurance, most will not even think about competence.

Perhaps then it may be good to research, Regina Vs Octel!

 

[steptoe]

Steps,I "seem" to recall something in the BBB or the BRB about not being allowed to withold certs until invoices are paid.

If you did it would be "against" the regs.

Late now and things going on, BRB in the back of the van and all the usual excuses!

Anyone know of this/can quote reg?

Paul

BRB is not and can not make the law,

but,

Im not saying this as a de-facto method,

in fact Ive not yet had any issue getting paid for PIRs,

its just when a client asks me about certs I say, yes, your certificate will be in the post(or whatever) with your receipt.

never yet been an issue, and with landlords I usually have a verbal to rectify any immediate dangers during the test,

luckily for me I suppose Ive not had any major money issues with this so far,

its usually small things like a 7kw shower on 6mm with a 45A fuse cos Joe from the pub had a spare one, fancy chandelier fitting in bathroom, MEB hanging off gas cos a new meter fitted, or similar.

although recently I have got about

 

[Doc Hudson]

They are required by most persons ordering the work.Competence is another thing altogether.

There are many, many ways to prove this, however, if you have insurance, most will not even think about competence.

The most common accepted way to prove competence being formal qualification in an industry recognised examination, such as City & Guilds. I do hope you are not suggesting it wise to employ unqualified persons to undertake PIR's initforthemoney? As the forum would not condone this practice as being sensible or good guidance.

Doc H.

 

[initforthemoney]

I am not suggesting anything of the sort, however, what i have stated is fact!

I was merely putting across another point of view, and i get an infraction.

Thanks!

I have already had PM's from Mr Manator about my posts being not very friendly.

I am not a regular forum user in general and so i am not used to how to get points across.

I type what i think.

 

[m4tty]

Surely you can word it a little more friendly to get your point across tho mate

 

[Sidewinder]

BRB is not and can not make the law,but,

Im not saying this as a de-facto method,

in fact Ive not yet had any issue getting paid for PIRs,

its just when a client asks me about certs I say, yes, your certificate will be in the post(or whatever) with your receipt.

never yet been an issue, and with landlords I usually have a verbal to rectify any immediate dangers during the test,

luckily for me I suppose Ive not had any major money issues with this so far,

its usually small things like a 7kw shower on 6mm with a 45A fuse cos Joe from the pub had a spare one, fancy chandelier fitting in bathroom, MEB hanging off gas cos a new meter fitted, or similar.

although recently I have got about

 

[Des 56]

BRB is not and can not make the law,but,

in fact Ive not yet had any issue getting paid for PIRs,

its just when a client asks me about certs I say, yes, your certificate will be in the post(or whatever) with your receipt.

its usually small things like a 7kw shower on 6mm with a 45A fuse cos Joe from the pub had a spare one,

just stuff like recommendations for a 10mm shower cable,

With an all sweeping statement such as highlighted above

Its a wonder you have not had problems getting paid with incorrect working knowlege of basic electrical information available to any practicing spark and giving incorrect information to a client via a pir ( you could end up in court)

Its probably time you read the good book,regarding current carrying capacity of cables,especially clipped direct 6mm and what is permissable, before comparing what a diyer would do and what is actually correct

Withholding certification for payment protection, would get you in trouble if you were Niceic and they were aware of one of their contractors carrying out these practices

 

[philbas]

Withholding certification for payment protection, would get you in trouble if you were Niceic and they were aware of one of their contractors carrying out these practices

Withholding goods until payment is received is a well established business practice. "Cash on delivery".

If i go to my local supermarket, and once the shopping has been put through the checkout I cant just say I;m not paying you but I can still take the shopping. That would be theft.

So what is the difference in ordering a PIR and then refusing to pay when the work has been done.

The certificate is the only leverage the Sparky has left. he already did the work.

 

[pinky]

With an all sweeping statement such as highlighted aboveIts a wonder you have not had problems getting paid with incorrect working knowlege of basic electrical information available to any practicing spark and giving incorrect information to a client via a pir ( you could end up in court)

Its probably time you read the good book,regarding current carrying capacity of cables,especially clipped direct 6mm and what is permissable, before comparing what a diyer would do and what is actually correct

Withholding certification for payment protection, would get you in trouble if you were Niceic and they were aware of one of their contractors carrying out these practices

apologies to all mods but this post has really p****d me off

you have not only completely misquoted the post as i believe he was referring to the ocpd rather than the cable and if you read the post was not recommending an upgrade for said cable but for a different property namely a student let

although recently I have got about

 

[Manator]

The best part about this forum is that whilst some views may be wrong, but steadfastly beleived, the oppertunity to correct or guide the beleiver in the right direction can be done in a factual and friendly manner.

You have also to remember that the written word without any other stimulas can often be misinterpreted. A face to face discussion would not involve these type of misunderstandings as other signs like tone and body language effect the outcome of a statement.

When a fact is given it must be supported with evidence, this evidence can be as in this case why a certain cable length and OCPD is used and what resulted in the cable choice.

Many times I see that some people assume without calculation because they have seen it done before.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and our purpose is to band together as a type of family and help each other understand, learn and appreciate without causing harm or distress.

Discussions and debates can very often change the way countries are run, my hope is that all debates and discussions on this forum will help all contributors to be fully up to date with all regulations, be able to rely on a back up service of advise, and not be abused by posting basic questions.

We all start somewhere, and we all have our very own mindset based on our interpretations, it is only when a mass of people inject their view that we can evaluate our stance. The science of electricity has not changed, its characteristics remain the same regarless of our interpretation of it,if a debate calls for a rebuke then quoting a regulation or a scientific fact is always going to be better than an off the cuff remark like we sometimes see.

The best way to answer any post you disagree with is with known facts, remember the question could be vague and the poster whilst convinced he or she is right, may not know what you know, or may not have had the experiance that you have. Your reply may educate them, and other members of the forum who are too shy, or afraid to post a question.

So remember always be nice and remember when you had to go through your training, and all the stupid questions you had to ask, and all the misinformation you where given.