PIR Results

[DeeJay]

Hi chaps,

Been asked by a landlord to look over 3 of his properties PIR reports and price for fixing anything that needs done (he uses a different spark from PIR to doing the work as he thinks the spark would just create work for himself)

Anyway, heres the recommendations from one of the reports.

1 - Urgently requires attention

2 - Requires improvements

3 - Requires further investigation

4 - Doesnt comply with BS7671

Scottish Power incomer 6/10mm csa (1)

Fusebox not marked (2)

Smoke Alarm wired in flex and on wall (2)

Faulty Socket in bedroom (1)

Broken Socket in bedroom (1)

no earth to main gas (4)

no earthing at boiler (4)

exhaust pipe not connected to cooker hood (2)

no cooker switch (1)

under unit lights not working (2)

30amp Circuit unidentified (6mm) (3)

continuity on kitchen right (3)

No RCD (4)

Basically, what HAS to be corrected out of that list? The sparky has told the landlord the fuse box NEEDS to be replaced but I always thought that it didnt have to be done? Only if it made the installation less safe?

I have not been into the properties yet (will be heading in next week at some point to get a proper look) just recieved PDFs from the landlord and asked to look over them and give recommendations and my price.

 

[jameseye12]

Personally, just the Code 1's HAVE to be done, but I'd do the code 2's as well, with an option to do anything else

 

[safedepth]

Hi chaps,Been asked by a landlord to look over 3 of his properties PIR reports and price for fixing anything that needs done (he uses a different spark from PIR to doing the work as he thinks the spark would just create work for himself)

Anyway, heres the recommendations from one of the reports.

1 - Urgently requires attention

2 - Requires improvements

3 - Requires further investigation

4 - Doesnt comply with BS7671

Scottish Power incomer 6/10mm csa (1)

Fusebox not marked (2)

Smoke Alarm wired in flex and on wall (2)

Faulty Socket in bedroom (1)

Broken Socket in bedroom (1)

no earth to main gas (4)

no earthing at boiler (4)

exhaust pipe not connected to cooker hood (2)

Where's the electrical relevance? Why has the other sparks picked this up on a PIR?

no cooker switch (1)

under unit lights not working (2)

30amp Circuit unidentified (6mm) (3)

continuity on kitchen right (3)

No RCD (4)

Basically, what HAS to be corrected out of that list? The sparky has told the landlord the fuse box NEEDS to be replaced but I always thought that it didnt have to be done? Only if it made the installation less safe?

I have not been into the properties yet (will be heading in next week at some point to get a proper look) just recieved PDFs from the landlord and asked to look over them and give recommendations and my price.

First impressions, my red.

 

[Sidewinder]

Hi chaps,Been asked by a landlord to look over 3 of his properties PIR reports and price for fixing anything that needs done (he uses a different spark from PIR to doing the work as he thinks the spark would just create work for himself)

Anyway, heres the recommendations from one of the reports.

1 - Urgently requires attention

2 - Requires improvements

3 - Requires further investigation

4 - Doesnt comply with BS7671

Scottish Power incomer 6/10mm csa (1) IF this is DNO kit then it is not covered by BS7671 comes under ESQCR, so should not be on a PIR to BS7671, however, should be commented on.

Fusebox not marked (2) (4)

Smoke Alarm wired in flex and on wall (2) Which BS7671 reg is this not in compliance with, yes should be commented perhaps, but is is not a non-compliance with 7671

Faulty Socket in bedroom (1) Only if live parts are exposed, else (2)

Broken Socket in bedroom (1) As above

no earth to main gas (4) (2)

no earthing at boiler (4) This would require clarification so (3)

exhaust pipe not connected to cooker hood (2) Again which bs7671 reg?!

no cooker switch (1) (4)

under unit lights not working (2) No code as lack of function in this situation is not dangerous, so unless they are broken or damaged probably (3)

30amp Circuit unidentified (6mm) (3) Agree

continuity on kitchen right (3) Don't understand issue, however, 3 or possibly (2) depending on what you mean

No RCD (4) Agree

Basically, what HAS to be corrected out of that list? The sparky has told the landlord the fuse box NEEDS to be replaced but I always thought that it didnt have to be done? Only if it made the installation less safe?

I have not been into the properties yet (will be heading in next week at some point to get a proper look) just recieved PDFs from the landlord and asked to look over them and give recommendations and my price.

Please note well all I know about this install is what you have written in your post!

My red above.

1's must be done 2's should be done, 3's really should be investigated as they could turn out to be 1's or 2's.

Without knowing more it is difficult to comment factually.

Sockets if damaged should be changed.

As far as changing the CU goes, this depends, there is no code or defect listed above wrt to the CU.

IF the CU needs changing then it should be coded.

Also this is another reason I put reg numbers on my PIR's to give justification to my coding!

 

[DeeJay]

All I know is the writing aswell, i'll have a better idea next week, just getting first impressions from you guys. Also have no idea why the other sparky has commented about the exhaust?

Anyway I was definately going to do the 1's and recommend 2's and inspecting 3's.

 

[Manator]

One of the reasons why those who carry out any PIR should be able to code properly, there are some code 1's on that list that should never be there and would give the impression that the overall safety of the installation is dangerous. All codes are subject to the level of danger the inspector perceives, but he or she must be competant to carry out the inspection in the first place.

 

[ProDave]

Sub standard incomers will be upgraded free of charge by Scottish Power. Just phone them and tell them it's UNSAFE.

Make sure if the tails on the CU side are also substandard, that you first fit new tails to the CU (whether or not you change it) and henley block your new tails to the old sub standard ones. Then when Scottish Power come, they can fit the new CU tails into the meter at the same time.

The broken sockets I would have changed while doing the PIR. For the sake of 5 minutes and

 

[sparkytim]

All code 1s are "REAL DANGERS" and some action is needed before the reporter leaves the site, i.e. Disconnect, repair or replace, or at the very least issue a Danger Notice to the responsible person and get them to sign it (2 copies one for them and one for you to take away) explaining to them that THEY are now responsible.

 

[DeeJay]

Went into see the flats today and the only thing I can really see that needs done is the Earthing and Bonding to be honest, couple cracked sockets that the Landlord wants changed also.

Question about the missing Cooker Control Switch, does there have to be one? Ive seen and heard of cookers just being plugged into a socket, or wired into a connection unit and thats it. Just want to clarify that.

Cheers

 

[Theorysparky]

What type of cooker is it ????

 

[DeeJay]

Gas Hob, Electric Oven Combined. Im not 100% sure wether its a connection unit or a socket it is currently in as I couldnt pull the cooker out to check as the tennant was in and had kids running about.

Just been asked to price for the work and not sure whether this needs to be done, also will be a nightmare to do.

 

[Theorysparky]

normally i pull out the oven to check the connection

if it is a plug behind the oven it really needs to be accessable ie adjacent cupboard

that way cooker switch above worktop not required

code 2 i would use if this is the case

 

[binky]

As a property rented for profit, IMHO the property should be up to 16th edition standards as a minimum. Think you said no RCDs so would change CU, RCD everything and avoid supplementary bonding issues. As for tester - clearly not fully competent with codings and therefore perhaps his work???? If you do change CU do your own EIC with ZS tests id not full R1+R2 stuff.

 

[Manator]

You have raised a very good point there Binky, I think I would encourage any landlord to do the same, duty of care and all that.

However with the installation of a new CU I find this a perfect oppertunity to R1+R2 all the circuits. Thats just me though, and your post is very much in line with what I would (want) to do.