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Indeed some people do live beyond their means. But you are being a bit blinkered and naive to think that every one seeking debt management assistance is an out of work scrounger who has never done a days work. There are families who thought they were in relatively secure jobs with reasonable income, taken out finance within their means to purchase a home or home improvements. Then through no fault of their own found themselves in a redundancy situation unable to keep up payments.
Do not forget that when some of us were younger people still did use finance such as Hire Purchase, or the catalog stores weekly installment shopping to buy goods they could not purchase outright. The difference I was referring to was that people who wanted to better themselves could apply for better paid work. Or if they did loose their job within a few weeks they could be back in work with another employer. factories and offices had notice boards outside listing job vacancies. Nowadays despite the "unemployment statistics" it is very hard to change jobs to improve your income.
Undoubtedly some unions got to big for their boots and caused as much harm as good, but don't forget the history of why standing together for basic employment rights was actually needed in the past. Employers could walk over employees enforcing not just poor work practices but downright dangerous practices. Sounds as though some would like us to go back to the days of the landed gentry and the peasants in the fields or the workhouses. Blue duck hits the nail on the head saying we need a balance. both sides are wrong and both sides have some good solutions. Its the bouncing between two sides that keeps messing things up. And whichever way you look at it the jobs market is well and truly messed up at the moment no matter what the statistic appear to say!
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Bloody hell Steve did you live at our house then ?
Only difference was we had a bath ....it hung on a hook outside most of the week and was carried into the kitchen on Friday night, filled from a copper wash tub.
As you sat in it , as the youngest, neighbours would walk in and stand gossiping with a cup of tea ........or the most embarrassing ...Oh Dear ...the cringyness of it ...at about 10 yrs old ...sitting in tin bath, in kitchen....neighbours were one thing but ...older brother (15) walks in with latest girlfriend
.. and they make tea ..like your not there .Steve ..that beef dripping was great on toast , wasn't it?
Did you forget that with no heating , winter would bring ice on the INSIDE of the windows .
This is actually true , not the working class Python sketch BTW
Exactly Doc, anyone can take a walk to any high street and see things for themselves...
I used to drive a lorry a very long time ago. Used to deliver steel, so i saw a lot of mines and engineering works. Years later i went to the midlands, could not believe, and was shocked in fact to see all the old established industries closed, their buildings derelict.
My first job was in a small engineering works [i used to use a lathe and a horizontal borer] The machines were all ancient [my borer had a brass plate saying "reconditioned in 1962"] but it was a nice place, only a corrugated shed mind you, but it kept about ten blokes in a job. They expanded then, and had a new works erected at the then colossal sum of £110,000 i believe it was. Shortly later, Thatcher the halfwit set that McGregor loose on the steel industry, and, at a stroke, their largest customer was gone. They went bust shortly after. No unions there to blame, just a halfwitted tory government...
john
john..
I can well remember getting up at about 6am on a saturday morning as the cold would wake you up. The nets would indeed be frozen to the inside of the glass!! I would go downstairs and light the fire, chopping sticks, crunching up newspaper, and a "blazer" to make it draw. Later we had that most modern of contrivances a "gas poker" to light the thing with. I was aged about 6 at the time.... Used to take about an hour and a half to give out decent heat, was the only heating in the house. Later in the morning i would watch "Casey Jones" on the telly.. [We had one of them!!!] My mum was a school teacher so i suppose she was on good money, but i can still remember us all having to hide behind the settee from the rent man!!!
john..
I used to drive a lorry a very long time ago. Used to deliver steel, so i saw a lot of mines and engineering works. Years later i went to the midlands, could not believe, and was shocked in fact to see all the old established industries closed, their buildings derelict.
My first job was in a small engineering works [i used to use a lathe and a horizontal borer] The machines were all ancient [my borer had a brass plate saying "reconditioned in 1962"] but it was a nice place, only a corrugated shed mind you, but it kept about ten blokes in a job. They expanded then, and had a new works erected at the then colossal sum of £110,000 i believe it was. Shortly later, Thatcher the halfwit set that McGregor loose on the steel industry, and, at a stroke, their largest customer was gone. They went bust shortly after. No unions there to blame, just a halfwitted tory government...
john
john..
I can well remember getting up at about 6am on a saturday morning as the cold would wake you up. The nets would indeed be frozen to the inside of the glass!! I would go downstairs and light the fire, chopping sticks, crunching up newspaper, and a "blazer" to make it draw. Later we had that most modern of contrivances a "gas poker" to light the thing with. I was aged about 6 at the time.... Used to take about an hour and a half to give out decent heat, was the only heating in the house. Later in the morning i would watch "Casey Jones" on the telly.. [We had one of them!!!] My mum was a school teacher so i suppose she was on good money, but i can still remember us all having to hide behind the settee from the rent man!!!
john..
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55% NO 45% yes.
Scotland is this morning still part of the UK
I can't begin to tell you just how much of a relief that is.
I can now get on with life without the worry of the last couple of weeks.
Scotland is this morning still part of the UK
I can't begin to tell you just how much of a relief that is.
I can now get on with life without the worry of the last couple of weeks.
things are still 'afoot' the fallout is just beginning. Hopefully we may see a lot more devolvement of power back to local councils. It's going to be interesting either way.
Just wait for the racial apartheid and the terrorism to start now ....
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We had an electric poker! As we used to sell them in my parents' shop
Looked like a bazooka....3kW element inside it and a nozzle to focus the heat.,used to have tomreplace the nozzle every year asmit melted.
If i remember correctly the on/ off switch was on the top and similar to a MK "fish key"
A much much older version of this....i think it was Pifco............pifco. Was the Permanent Incandescent Filament Company.....not a lot of people know or care about that!
Looked like a bazooka....3kW element inside it and a nozzle to focus the heat.,used to have tomreplace the nozzle every year asmit melted.
If i remember correctly the on/ off switch was on the top and similar to a MK "fish key"
A much much older version of this....i think it was Pifco............pifco. Was the Permanent Incandescent Filament Company.....not a lot of people know or care about that!
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Well ProDave should be like a pig in **** with the result today!!!!
You 're right .....I remember the Pifco brand but never wondered or cared what the hell it meant !! I'm sure we have one of those Pifco Infrared Sun lamps somewhere. Relieves pain from arthritis .We had an electric poker! As we used to sell them in my parents' shop
Looked like a bazooka....3kW element inside it and a nozzle to focus the heat.,used to have tomreplace the nozzle every year asmit melted.
If i remember correctly the on/ off switch was on the top and similar to a MK "fish key"
A much much older version of this....i think it was Pifco............pifco. Was the Permanent Incandescent Filament Company.....not a lot of people know or care about that!image.jpg
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Anyway getting back on track.........
Another 100 scoobs and my reputation will,be the same number as that used by Scotland Yard for their direct dial number
Whitehall. 1212
Just waiting
Another 100 scoobs and my reputation will,be the same number as that used by Scotland Yard for their direct dial number
Whitehall. 1212
Just waiting
Kerch it hasn't been Whitehall 1212 for about 50 yrs mate ...........thats why you can never get through . :C
precisely, we went from one extreme where the unions were too strong, to the other, where you dare not speak out for fear of your job. As for Thatcher - brilliant poilitician, could make the whole country believe she was doing them a favour whilst shafting them quietly and allowing big business to 'run free'. Biggest disappointment of the Blair years, is that he basically carried on in the same mould, the Labour party becoming more like soft Tories than defenders of the working man, and completely ignored manufacturing because the 'City' was making so much money!!!. As for the trade unions, they will always be a major influence in the Labour party, they started it in the first place. But please do get away from the idea that all Unions are trouble makers, their main concern has always been the right for staff to return from a days work in the same condition they went to work ie H&S, and with a reasonable amount of recompense for their efforts. You have all benefitted from that. There are even Conservatives who support Unions, so can't be that bad!It's a balance we are missing
the iron lady got some things right as did Mr Blairs wife but the two parties are too far apart in their thinking so it's one way or another no happy medium
Human nature doesn't help, seeing arguments as black and white is easier than seeing all the grey bits in between. By rights the major poilitcal force in the UK should be the centre ground Lib Dems. As it happens they've been squeezed out of the centre by Labour and Tories, and a 2 horse race is crap!
