Selling Property With No Earthing to Lighting

[Murdoch]

My mistake  :Blushing   forgot to put 'never' in. Have edited it now.

I did wonder.... lol

 

[ProDave]

All a lender will look at is the overall condition box.

"Satisfactory" and they will be happy"

"Unsatisfactory" and they will be slapping a rertention on your mortgage until it is made safe.

 

[fungus1487]

It's not even the lender. The mortgage offer is fine, this is purely from the buyers themselves.

 

[Sharpend]

As stated, if you have the correct class 2 fittings, both light and switch, (you may wish to consider using nylon/plastic screws for the switch plate aswell) and the remainder of the house electrics is in good order then you should be able to obtain a satisfactory report from an electrician. This however does not mean that it will be satisfactory to the purchaser as they may have or wish to have nice fancy metal decorative lighting that they want to use. This means that from your standpoint the house electrics is satisfactory and you'd be happy to accept class 2 and live there, however the purchaser may be looking at the expense of a partial rewire so you may find yourself in a trade off over the sale price of the house, hence the suggestion to add an amount to the price to offer a discount to new purchaser as a sweetener and still come out with the figure that you would be happy with. 

 

[steptoe]

It's down to the buyer really,

If they want a house with earthed lighting, and yours doesn't have earthed lighting, then it's their perogative to offer you a sum less than you are asking for to enable them to have the necessary work done to their satisfaction.

If you want to sell anything, then you have to sell to the buyers requirements.

 

[fungus1487]

I agree it's a buyers market but this thread has confirmed to me that what was raised wasnt as serious and I am now in the process of challenging the c1 as it seems overly harsh

 

[NozSpark]

If you look at the description of the codes in the report it will say something like "C1 - Danger present",,, what this means is that you have an exposed live part (or something else that is immediately dangerous)... as this complied at the time of installation and needs another failure to become dangerous then it's a C3 IMHO... or a C2 if you have metal switches/lights

 

[thebight]

I'm intrigued by the NICEIC guidance of a circuit without an earth should be RCD protected - is that in case the circuit makes connection with an extraneous conductive part?

 

[binky]

it means you get a small belt if you still have class 1 fittings. If I remember correctly, the actual recommendation is to fit an RCD if the customer doesn't want to change class1 for class 2 fittings

 

[Murdoch]

it means you get a small belt if you still have class 1 fittings. If I remember correctly, the actual recommendation is to fit an RCD if the customer doesn't want to change class1 for class 2 fittings

That's a new one on me!

 

[binky]

so firkin what

 

[SLIPSHOD & SLAPDASH]

These rules/guidance/bullpoo  are rediculous.  Last year ,before a  board change  i noticed class 1 fittings on  the 2 un-earthed lighting  circuits. We had to leave the old rewirable fusebox in place for those circuits, but i fitted a 16A  Rcbo in the new board to feed that. We used this  job for one of our Niceic inspections and no comments were made. 

 

[NozSpark]

TBH I don't really care what other people think about adding RCD protection to a lighting circuit without a CPC....

IMHO it can only make the circuit safer so that's what I've decided is the minimum that I'd do... otherwise I won't touch it

 

[Essex1]

TBH I don't really care what other people think about adding RCD protection to a lighting circuit without a CPC....

IMHO it can only make the circuit safer so that's what I've decided is the minimum that I'd do... otherwise I won't touch it

The trouble is then the customer may be frightened to carry out unnecessary work. I am sure that is not your intention but it isn't correct. 

 

[NozSpark]

The trouble is then the customer may be frightened to carry out unnecessary work. I am sure that is not your intention but it isn't correct. 

In this kind of situation I always give my customers all the options that I am willing to do and let them decide... even if they end up deciding to get someone else.... that's fine

I will not allow myself to join the race to the bottom

 

[Essex1]

I completely fail to see what installing an RCD on a circuit with no cpc and no metal accessories will do to improve safety. 

 

[NozSpark]

Well.... I tend to find that Joe public tend to do the stupidest things... even down to swapping plastic accessories back to metal when they've specifically been told not to

 

[bluetobits]

I completely fail to see what installing an RCD on a circuit with no cpc and no metal accessories will do to improve safety. 

Hanging a picture above a light switch? 

 

[Essex1]

Hanging a picture above a light switch? 

Don't MCBs trip when under a short circuit?

 

[bluetobits]

Don't MCBs trip when under a short circuit?

Might miss both conductors and just nick the live