Shower switch

[Electroglow]

Hello all

I have 1st fixed a rewire last month came back to the job today and found that the tiler has taken out my switch and feed it straight in to the shower. All tiled and finished. Soo

I have said there needs to be a iso switch.

But they are not having it..

Any options please ?

 

[steptoe]

dont connect it.

 

[Electroglow]

Then I wouldn't get paid.

They are having a bathroom referb next year and told me to wait till then..

There is. I other way around it other than to rip tiles off

 

[Jono Pashley]

Tell them if they want a EIC for the job it either gets put right at the tilers expense or its left disconnected. Get sick to death of some people who think they can do as they like then try and bend the poor trademen over a barrel.

 

[Doc Hudson]

This I suspect is the sort of question that makes our Mr Steptoe mutter 5WW under his breath. I will try to expand a few thoughts that any reasonable electrician should have come out of college equipped to deduce: Has the tiler connected up the wires to the shower then or just pushed them in the ceiling? What do the shower manufactures instructions say? You could just do the rest of your work and leave the tiler to issue a certificate for the shower. Or re do the work to a level you are happy with, so that you feel confident about signing your certificate that puts a legal safety obligation back on your shoulders. These situations really are very simple to resolve. Ask the person who is paying you to do the work what work they want done, tell them what you need to do the job safely, then do the work. If another trade says an item is not needed, just pass it back to the person who is ordering the work. If you are not happy with some aspects of what they are requesting then don't do it. Any competent trades person should be able to talk with a client about any and all aspects of the work they are contracted to do. If they are unable to do this working alone then possibly they are not quite ready for solo working. It is not a technically complex issue to establish if manufactures instructions say a local isolator is needed.

Doc H.

 

[Evans Electric]

Tell them to get the tiler to connect the shower and certify the circuit and you deal with the rest of it .

I get Part Peed off with them too , we have a great bookful of Regulations to adhere to yet theres always some smartass who knows better .

What is this other way round it without ripping tiles off ? On second thoughts rip 'em off, fit your switch and tell them not to pay the tiler . No thats silly , I bet he,s alrady been paid , its just the un-important Sparks who they threaten with non-payment Eh!

 

[NozSpark]

If they won't get the tiler to put it back how you want it at his expense then you can't really connect it up

Firstly there won't be an isolator as is probably required in the MI's

secondly you don't know what alternative route he has taken your cable (safe zones)

and thirdly you don't know what he has done to the cable - it might be damaged or jointed... Who knows??

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And if the tiler says that you can't take tiles off without damaging them he is talking rubbish

I took 15 of 11"x8" ones last week and put them back up,,, you wouldn't have known that they'd been off

 

[steptoe]

you wouldn't have known that they'd been off

we do now.!

its the tilers problem,

maybe you should take a lot of tiles off and hide them, see how he likes that.

 

[ElectekAir]

The tiler has surely made a joint where your isolator was going to be unless the cable came past the shower to the isolator it would be too short to reach the shower

You cant connect the shower now just remove the cost from the invoice and wait until the refurb and charge it then

 

[batty]

So was the switch in the bathroom? I generally try to put them outside the bathroom.

 

[Sharpend]

Is the shower on a stud wall? If so attach a pull wire to end of shower cable pull it back up from loft, attach new piece of 6/10mm cable to pull wire pull it through then fit appropriate Pull cord isolator to ceiling. Job done, compliant and bill for additional time.

Should just say this is providing that you are happy that tiler had not joined your original cable.

 

[ProDave]

+1 to all the above, you can't just connect the shower because you simply don't know what joint or cable route has been done.

Is it a stud wall? Can you get access to the other side to cut an inspection hole?

But I think we need more detail. the bit that's puzzling me is the tiler needed to move (or remove) the isolator so he could tile over where it was, which suggests it was inside the bathroom and close to the shower, which doesn't sound right.

As others, if I am fitting a wall isolator, then it goes outside the bathroom. Otherwise it's a pull cord isolator from the ceiling.

so i'm interested to find out more detail. Also the other bit that doesn't make sense is they have had the shower re tiled, then you talk about refurbishing the bathroom shortly. Isn't tiling the shower the first bit of the refurb?

 

[sellers]

Don't connect it, don't do any further work on that circuit. Explain why it cant be done that way, and maybe offer

 

[Andy™]

you should add this point to your T&C's

'Where projects involve works by third party trades, any damage to the electrical installation by third parties shall remain the responsibility of the Client. Any rectification costs must be paid by the Client prior to commencement of second fix. Recovery of such costs from any third party shall be the Clients responsibility.'

 

[ProDave]

you should add this point to your T&C's'Where projects involve works by third party trades' date=' any damage to the electrical installation by third parties shall remain the responsibility of the Client. Any rectification costs must be paid by the Client prior to commencement of second fix. Recovery of such costs from any third party shall be the Clients responsibility.'[/quote']

Excellent point.

While not in my T&C I always verbally tell the client to make sure the mud slinger doesn't bury my cables and explain the consequences if I have to start hacking holes in a wall to find lost cables.

 

[Andy™]

Excellent point.While not in my T&C I always verbally tell the client to make sure the mud slinger doesn't bury my cables and explain the consequences if I have to start hacking holes in a wall to find lost cables.

that point covers that too. and pretty much anything someone else can do to cables, like cut them shorter removing markings from the end etc