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Today  we drove through the high street where I went to school ,1000 years ago,  stop at some lights and theres a Romanian looking girl working the queue , trying to wash windscreens ,  looked to the left on the pavement , a small crowd of west Indians and Asians betting with a guy doing the find the ball under the  three  tumblers scam  and a couple of yards down , a elderly black guy lying on a piece of cardboard , begging . :(

Thought I'd been transported to Bombay or Shanghai or somewhere.

 
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When I was at school, I can only remember 2 non Caucasians.

When I go back there now, I'm staggered by the sheer number of non Caucasians, and how many different races there are.

And don't try telling me they are all "Brittish" because there were not that many non Caucasians about in my time to have been their parents.

Up here in the arctic, things are more like I was used to, where Caucasians are the norm.

Now cue someone to come on and call us racist.

 
To quote Bernard Manning.....

"Just because a dog is born in a stable does not make it a horse" !!!!!

If people want to come here and take up our ways and customs, then fine, you will be welcome here, but problem is, they do not.

Look at the stuff in the news about wanting to appear in court dressed up as a welder....

Now, if you are a nice Muslim girl, and you want to obey your religious beliefs, then great, BUT, do not think you can "pick and choose" I happen to know that in "their" countries a girl is not allowed to leave the house unless she is with a male relative, husband dad or brother etc. I do not think they are allowed to drive either... Not so keen on observing these rules eh!!!!

 
Deke, everytime i go shopping in birmingham i always feel like the ethnic minority, so perhaps i should have more rights!

Im totally not against any foreigners coming to the country, just as long in that our customs, language and traditions are respected and that the immigrants are coming to enrich our skills and society.

Same as, if i lived in another country i would learn their language

nd show respect to their beliefs.

 
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There is a town near where i live where locals (english) wont go out at night - towns locally called polish city

There is a shop there that sells polish food and goods

Its had a sign up in the window for the last year (i believe) - NO ENGLISH or ENGLISH NOT ALLOWED 

And no one (council etc) do anything about it
Bomba benzyna?

Village I grew up in ONE Jamaican family. The dad was a doctor & mum a nurse. Only difference was they were browner than I was. All good as they would go on holiday and come back to school with a stack of sugar cane!

And no one worried about what was on the jam jars either!

 
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Canoeboy said:
There is a town near where i live where locals (english) wont go out at night - towns locally called polish city

There is a shop there that sells polish food and goods

Its had a sign up in the window for the last year (i believe) - NO ENGLISH or ENGLISH NOT ALLOWED 

And no one (council etc) do anything about it
Sounds about right, they get away with everything and our authorities let them crack on.

its getting the same up here, there's 4 or 5 polish shops most of them have no English signs but nothings done about it. Most of the social housing is Eastern European occupied and in the same areas most of the process work in the factories are Eastern European dominated aswel. A lot of people I know who've lived around here all their lives struggle to get their kids into the local schools because of immigration aswel and because we are easy targets thanks to the PC mad country we live in its us that are told to go elsewhere.

theres a number of polish supervisors in a few of the bigger electrical contractors around here too, all have no formal uk qualifications to their name either, I had the misfortune of working under one earlier this year and it didn't end well 

same with the middle eastern lot, when I was at school there was about 10 kids out of 1500 now the place is full of them. The part of town where I live is full of them they all have big important jobs or corner shops and own as much property as they can get and they are as ignorant as you can get to boot.

its a crying shame really as the uk doesn't need any more multi culturism as we are already quite multi cultured as it is with a rich history of foreign invaders and occupations throughout the ages but as a tiny island nation we've fought through it and out lasted most of them, we've had a large empire of our own, showed the world how industry was done and stood up to a number of European  crack pots bent on ruling as much of the world as they can get and more often than not come out on top only to eventually be sold out, made to bend over and take it good and hard and have everything that was ours sold off only to have to import it all back in!!!

Why should we have to take in all the scroungers and refuges from all over when we can't even support our own people, it's madness 

 
The problem with this country is the NHS and benefits system  I am sure if we didn't have it it wouldn't be quite so popular.

 
My mate's Polish missus, when pregnant would get all her scans and appointments here on the NHS. THEN on her frequent trips back "home" she would get the same ones done "just to make sure" as she wasn't keen on the doctors here. Not because they were English but because they WEREN'T!

 
Our schools are bad enough without adding to it with high percentages of kids not speaking English, PC and the do gooders happened we're English so stiff upper lip old chap while they rape and pillage the country for all it's worth  :red card

the he ozzies have got it right, we should have the same system if not better, the French don't take it either but they do seem to stick them all on the coast and turn a blind eye to them sneaking into the uk and for that I feel we really should of left them to the Germans.

The NHS and benefits need scrapping and reworking as they are both dinosaurs that have been chopped and changed to suit political agendas and not the uk public 

 
This country has reached such a state now that I'm hearing immigrants saying that immigration must be stopped.    

As long as we dish out benefits and free 5 bed houses or flats for single mothers with disappearing fathers and free health services to all and sundry then this country is on the road to self destruction .          There is one (non Fascist) party who speaks out against continuing immigration but are constantly branded as racists by the namby-pamby , lefty wefty, politically - bloody - correct prats who will ruin this country while they pretend to be non racists.    

 
I'm hearing immigrants saying that immigration must be stopped.

That sums it up - I didn`t know whether to laugh at that, or burst out crying.

As a country - we`ve been done up the arse so many times, there seems to be a sense of disappointment when we DON`T.

I`m not in a position to understand or explain HOW we got into the current, piss-poor situation; let alone develop any coherent strategy for getting us back where we need to be. I now believe, that as a country, and an (ex) "world power" - "our" nation has contracted the global version of AIDS. Its dying, fading away from its old glory - and there isn`t a cure.

I`m NOT racist, in any way, shape or form. One of my best friends is Egyptian; I have a lot of friends of Indian, African, Caribbean & even some Americans  :God no:  

Similarly - I`ve been friendly with a couple of homosexual guys / girls. They knew I wasn`t riding the same bus - and didn`t push their beliefs ( or anything else) towards me. But that doesn`t mean I agree with the freedoms to "marry", "have" kids, etc. that are rife in our society.

Its gone too far - its too late - to do anything about it now. WE`RE the "ethnic minority" - in (what used to be) our own country. 

 
Hmmmmm....... :C   :C

I am guessing that a lot of members here will disagree with my post....

But here goes anyway...

IS IT ACTUALLY A RACE THING OR MORE A GENERATION THING??????????

ie...  Are  ALL OF OUR WHITE BRITISH BORN.. BRITISH PARENTED YOUTH..

a shining example of hard work.. respect.. not expecting something for nothing culture etc.. etc...

Or in reality are there just as many WHITE.. BRITISH.. spongers as there are immigrants!!!

Are a lot of the  WHITE BRITISH youth more interested in staying at home playing the video games than getting off their back sides and trying to earn some money????????

When I started my apprenticeship in the late 70's...

working in a lot of crappy environments; Foundries..  Drop Forges... Rolling Mills etc...

A lot of the real crappy jobs were NOT done by indigenous white people..

(cuz they didn't want to do the "less attractive" work!!!!)

Is it surprising that we don't manufacture much nowerdays..

As the "white" people don't like the  "mess" of a manufacturing plant !!!!! 

I have no idea what involvement any of you have with the youth of today....

BUT I have been volunteering a couple of hours 30-40 weeks per year for the last 19 years at a local youth center in our town...

and I know for a fact that there is one helluva lot of WHITE.. BRITISH BORN YOUTH ..

who are very lazy, disrespectful, foul mouthed, mixed up youngsters.. 

some where their brothers and sisters have a different dad or mom...

And to be quite blunt they will NEVER hold down any job..  and have NO intention of getting work..

They know how to work the benefits system to perfection!!!!!

The simple fact is that there are good and bad..  hard workers and lazy bastards in EVERY race and culture 

Perhaps when all of us true British born (and our offspring) are ALL a better example then we can start slinging a bit of mud at others who have actually got off their backside to try and better themselves and done something to try and earn a living! 

Is it a sign of the times..

I DUNNO?????

you tell me??

:coat   :coat

 
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If this is assumed to be responses from a reasonable cross section of working Brittish people, then politicians need to take note.

Now fred drift, a little.

The "bedroom tax"

Most of us hate the idea of people just getting free housing and living their life off benefits.

The "bedroom tax" will only disadvantage people on benefit living in a larger house than they need to.  it will NOT impact working people paying their way.

So WHY is there such an outcry about it?

Most of us, you would have thought, would have an opinion varying from "I don't care about it" to "serves the scrounging b******s right, go and get a job"

so why are there so many in uproar about it?

 
The ones moaning are the ones affected, so it shows how many there are.

It's looking like we should have lost WW1 and WW2 as it seems we have only just finished paying off the debt it left and I wonder if we would be in this state now, we may have all been driving Merc's or BM's

 
I've got no answers just losts of questions that keep going round. It's difficult isn't it, do any of us really want to drive a bus, clean up the swarf in a factory or do the office toilets?

It's Sunday today so bear that in mind. How many of us will sit down to a traditional Sunday lunch with the children today which (and I'm not being sexist here) the wife has cooked? We're all harking back for "the good old days" and that is what certainly I remember. Dad went to work at the gas board (then nationalised), Mum made extra money with housekeeping for other people and dressmaking on the side. Sunday you'd ALL sit round and if not talk then at least observe polite etiquette with please and thank yous (did that carry on into our week as kids?). It bugs me that we as a family don't do this. Today, we'll all eat at different times and different things.

Today, I will be in (escape to?) the garden concentrating on my own projects. My 14 year old when he eventually surfaces will go straight on his pc and game until late tonight with us calling him out for food periodically. Won't see him outside the house or will he want to help. There are I'll admit some bonding issues there tbh from me working all hours when he was a kid (importing foreign kit that basically didn't work and needed/needs re-engineering).

Tomorrow I'll be in work trying to fix problems stemming from the same foreign kit where the suppliers now simply don't give two hoots.

As to the why? My wife has spent the week taking two elderly parents to hospital appointments. She goes with them in the main because the specialists are so heavily foreign accented that they can't understand them. My mate's Polish missus when pregnant though was offered a free translator! Our 7 year old has odd lumps come up in her neck and is very pale - we have been twice the GP where the doctors are Belgian/Czech and Nigerian with no luck so far - getting "come back if no better in two weeks and we might do a blood test". We took her to the local hospital Minor Injuries one evening - found there are no doctors there just nurses..........erm, it's a hospital FFS!  We think, thankfully one of the lumps may be getting smaller. At some time today we also have to draft a letter and go through times and dates ref an issue with a foreign owned utility company! And again tomorrow I'll drive home past the police station that is being knocked down and the land sold for housing. The new station, replacing a number of similarly demolished local ones is 10 miles away!

Michael Douglas, Falling Down?

 
I did some work for a jamaican born lady a couple of weeks ago, nice posh house and she started going on about immigration ruining the country!

I try not to say my views to customers so just listen to what they have to say.

But what i do know is a couple of businesses who have foreign workers (polish) and they work really hard minimum wage, whatever needs doing and whenever without any moaning.

If our society continues where i know our youngsters wont catch a bus or two to work each day then i think respect to someone else who will move out of their home to do a crappy paid job in another country.

However, the government should be cutting right back to stop certain areas being over run.

Bit like when my sister lived in erdington and i needed a dummy for my daughter. I went into the poundshop asked for a dummy but all the assistants were female polish and could not speak english!

I tried to suggest what i wanted with mouth actions and got right funny looks off her, lol!

 
Yes, but the reason, the ONLY reason that they do crappy jobs, is that then they get all the working families tax credit [whatever that may be] and child benefit paid to their familes back in poland at british rates... THAT is what thay are after, NOT the actual wages... I am not blaming them, they did not create the system, and fair play to them for having the initiative to come all the way here.. Cannot blame them.......

john..

 
I have to agree with Specs , what he says is also part of the problem in this country .  I too come across loads of white, English, benefit culture types and their kids are of the same ilk .      Theres also a thing with middle class white , English kids who don't want to do the Electrical, plumbing , etc type work .   Just want to sit on their asses at a computer .

Theres a white area near me ( other colours are "discouraged" from moving in)  which I remember as mostly decent people , working class, all with jobs.

Now its still 99% white , but they're nicking cars , theres cars with no wheels here and there,  schoolkids lurking around the streets on  schooldays ,   drug dealing is rife, all day long  theres people outside the pubs , smoking & drinking , education standards are poor , many are "known" to the police.

OK  I suppose the Devil makes work for idle hands , but thinking back , I grew up in a fairly poor area , near Aston Villa , but we had manners, we didn't nick stuff , (well some did)  I did a paper round at 13  and cleaned the cars on a sales pitch on Saturdays, left school at 15 .

I now come across kids  still in full time education , at an age when I'd done a 6 yr apprenticship , in industry and contracting in construction . 

Thing is, back then ,  I never heard of anyone on benefits  and  the dole was something you saw in old b&w films .   I too don't know the answer ...don't  quite know where it all went wrong ............but wrong it certainly went .    From being bankrupt at the end of WW2 to the boom times of the '60s .. and now a third world country....................Great it 'aint .

Just off to slash my wrists.!!

 
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