I'm confused about 2 things. Firstly how did the vet get the eff-word past the word filter? Secondly why is everyone going on driving courses? I'm guessing this is some kinda govt initiative where they pay for you to learn better driving skills.
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1) mods have special powers and can do what they want
2) speed awareness courses are an alternative to a fine and points on your driving licence if you get caught speeding. that way your insurance premium does not rise
2) speed awareness courses are an alternative to a fine and points on your driving licence if you get caught speeding. that way your insurance premium does not rise
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I expected the filter to deal with my outburst and I forget that it doesn't edit me!
Ok guys, why all the whinging, you broke the law, deal with it. It's the law of the country you live in, most of you guys would moan if the law was different, do you want sharia law,?
Thought not, you are criminals, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
End of.!
Thought not, you are criminals, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
End of.!
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Steps - I agree, it's fair cop. They caught me.
My issue is the misconceptions and hype surrounding speeding. There is not a single person on the road who has never broken the speed limit - period. Therefore we are all criminals and should be automatically fined?
The day they caught me doing 42 in a 30 was the middle of the day. The road was quiet, clear and dry. It was term time so kids were at school. Would I have driven through at 42 if the school bus was dropping off - of course not. Was my speed safe and proportional for the conditions, yes. Does (therefore) speed kill? Of course not. Inappropriate speed kills, but then inappropriately slow drivers can be an equal or greater hazard. Many accidents are recorded as 'speed related' because many people speed. In many cases there is little evidence that these accidents would not have happened otherwise (take hitting a deer as my earlier example).
There are many things people do on the roads that I never do; tailgating, swerving or breaking hard for wildlife, using handheld phone, smoking, undertaking, etc etc. There are other huge aspects to the accidents statistics that people fail to consider. Parents have responsibility over their children to make sure they know road safety, and that younger children are properly supervised. Cyclists should wear bright colours, display lights and wear a helmet. Cyclists need to ride single file and keep close to the curb to allow easier overtaking. Teenagers and joggers should not walk/run outside the house with earphones in listening to music, oblivious to the world around them. If your horse is scared of cars - ride on a bridleway. I'm sympathetic to tractor drivers as I used to be one, but again they should pull over when safe to do so. Know how wide your car is if you are going to drive on a country road. Stopping in the middle is no bloody good.
My issue is the misconceptions and hype surrounding speeding. There is not a single person on the road who has never broken the speed limit - period. Therefore we are all criminals and should be automatically fined?
The day they caught me doing 42 in a 30 was the middle of the day. The road was quiet, clear and dry. It was term time so kids were at school. Would I have driven through at 42 if the school bus was dropping off - of course not. Was my speed safe and proportional for the conditions, yes. Does (therefore) speed kill? Of course not. Inappropriate speed kills, but then inappropriately slow drivers can be an equal or greater hazard. Many accidents are recorded as 'speed related' because many people speed. In many cases there is little evidence that these accidents would not have happened otherwise (take hitting a deer as my earlier example).
There are many things people do on the roads that I never do; tailgating, swerving or breaking hard for wildlife, using handheld phone, smoking, undertaking, etc etc. There are other huge aspects to the accidents statistics that people fail to consider. Parents have responsibility over their children to make sure they know road safety, and that younger children are properly supervised. Cyclists should wear bright colours, display lights and wear a helmet. Cyclists need to ride single file and keep close to the curb to allow easier overtaking. Teenagers and joggers should not walk/run outside the house with earphones in listening to music, oblivious to the world around them. If your horse is scared of cars - ride on a bridleway. I'm sympathetic to tractor drivers as I used to be one, but again they should pull over when safe to do so. Know how wide your car is if you are going to drive on a country road. Stopping in the middle is no bloody good.
Looks like not everyone (**cough** apache **cough**) didn't have the same experience as me. Making a first point, on this course we were told that indeed speed does NOT kill. It was amazing how many people (mostly women) didn't know what national speed limits were on differing roads and most couldn't define a dual carriage way.
I actually got caught speeding on the A1 doing 68mph in a van. Going past a camera that I have gone past at 70 before and even faster in others' vans. I believe that the camera only triggered as there was a lorry on the inside of me that was drifting into my lane. I generally stick to speed limits, but on a flip note I also generally perceive the A1 as a motorway, I 'know' it is not for the majority of it, but it is kinda drilled in that it is and it is hard to break the habit. I spoke to the police and even wrote a letter to them explaining the situation, they were very willing to review the evidence and they said they couldn't see the situation on the camera pics so had no choice to continue the prosecution. They even emailed the photos to me for free. Indeed from the cameras view, the lorry is not visible and so I had no evidence for court. My sat nav shown a speed of 63mph but I have learn t that these aren't always reliable AND telling the court that I was doing 63, although is an argument that I wasn't doing 68, is still admitting speeding.
The 10% +2 mph is a general rule of thumb and can be used at the local authorities discretion but is not gospel. Proof of the pudding here, a woman on the same course was there because she got done doing 42mph in a 40
As mentioned above, you get a good refresher on stopping distances and speed. I must admit that it got a bit repetitive at times, but they were just trying to drill in to the dunces. I think my experience was improved by 1) I went with an open mind 2) it was a good friendly group in general, no a$$holes.
I actually got caught speeding on the A1 doing 68mph in a van. Going past a camera that I have gone past at 70 before and even faster in others' vans. I believe that the camera only triggered as there was a lorry on the inside of me that was drifting into my lane. I generally stick to speed limits, but on a flip note I also generally perceive the A1 as a motorway, I 'know' it is not for the majority of it, but it is kinda drilled in that it is and it is hard to break the habit. I spoke to the police and even wrote a letter to them explaining the situation, they were very willing to review the evidence and they said they couldn't see the situation on the camera pics so had no choice to continue the prosecution. They even emailed the photos to me for free. Indeed from the cameras view, the lorry is not visible and so I had no evidence for court. My sat nav shown a speed of 63mph but I have learn t that these aren't always reliable AND telling the court that I was doing 63, although is an argument that I wasn't doing 68, is still admitting speeding.
The 10% +2 mph is a general rule of thumb and can be used at the local authorities discretion but is not gospel. Proof of the pudding here, a woman on the same course was there because she got done doing 42mph in a 40
As mentioned above, you get a good refresher on stopping distances and speed. I must admit that it got a bit repetitive at times, but they were just trying to drill in to the dunces. I think my experience was improved by 1) I went with an open mind 2) it was a good friendly group in general, no a$$holes.
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That's an interesting one.
I always thought "dual carriageway" meant a road with a division between the lanes, even if it only has 1 lane in each direction.
The other confusion is stretches of road with an overtaking lane, where you have two lanes. but the only thing separating opposing traffic is a white line, so that is not a dual carriageway. Am I right?
That is just taking the P*** It's incidents like that that make people have contempt for the law.The 10% +2 mph is a general rule of thumb and can be used at the local authorities discretion but is not gospel. Proof of the pudding here, a woman on the same course was there because she got done doing 42mph in a 40
That brings the question. Does the course discuss "inappropriate speed limits"?
Where I used to live I travelled to work along a particular stretch of country road for years at the national speed limit. I don't recall any accidents. Then suddenly a 2 mile stretch of the road got a 30mph limit. It was basically open countryside, but there were a few big country houses, so one driveway emerging onto the road every 300 metres or so, all big long driveways, you couldn't see the houses. Somebody decided it was a "built up" area and slapped the 30 limit on. It was mind dumbingly painful to keep to the speed limit there with no perceivable hazards, but you had to, because there was a regular scamera van collecting his toll fees from poor frustrated motorists.
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Yes dave it is only a dual carriageway IF there is a physical separation between the lanes/road/CARRIAGEWAY. Regardless of the lane count. This is usually defined with kerbs (or are they curbs, lol)
The post above has reminded me of taking the driving test 100 years ago. They had just dispensed with the man carrying a red flag at that time .
a) After I reversed the van round the corner and back wheel went up the kerb , the lady said " I'm sure you can do better than that , try it again over there"
b) Question time at the end , What can't you do when there are double white lines in the centre of the road?
Cross over them ..says I
Correct ..says she..and what else ?
I didn't know TBH , anyone ? No Highway Codes ...off the top of your head !!
a) After I reversed the van round the corner and back wheel went up the kerb , the lady said " I'm sure you can do better than that , try it again over there"
b) Question time at the end , What can't you do when there are double white lines in the centre of the road?
Cross over them ..says I
Correct ..says she..and what else ?
I didn't know TBH , anyone ? No Highway Codes ...off the top of your head !!
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I don't drive too fast now . Stuck on the M6 once ..........could see them getting a body out of a mangled vehicle ....then thought of his wife and kids wondering why he was late home...... and the police preparing themselves for the knock on the door.
Some arrogant ***tard at the crossroads by us hit two girls crossing at the lights ...he didn't even brake , just blew the horn . One dead , her sister injured and lost the baby she was carrying . Piece of $hytte got 6 years .
Some arrogant ***tard at the crossroads by us hit two girls crossing at the lights ...he didn't even brake , just blew the horn . One dead , her sister injured and lost the baby she was carrying . Piece of $hytte got 6 years .
Correct you won a lollypop. Not a lot of people know that even now.
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And for anyone wondering, the reason you should not park on a road with a double white line, is that you would force other vehicles to overtake your stationary car, which they can't do because there's a double white line.
Talking of things that weren't in the driving test when I took it.
Parallel parking.
Now WHY is it called parallel parking?
Then I park side by side in a car park THAT is parallel parking. My car is parallel to all the other cars.
But what is now called "parallel parking" is parking in a gap in a straight line of parked cars along the side of the road. That's "in line" parking. ONE line of cars is NOT "parallel"
You can see why I would not do well if sent on a speed awareness course. I would be too argumentative. The reality is you need to say "oh yes I get it now, yes sir, three bags full sir, won't speed again sir"
Talking of things that weren't in the driving test when I took it.
Parallel parking.
Now WHY is it called parallel parking?
Then I park side by side in a car park THAT is parallel parking. My car is parallel to all the other cars.
But what is now called "parallel parking" is parking in a gap in a straight line of parked cars along the side of the road. That's "in line" parking. ONE line of cars is NOT "parallel"
You can see why I would not do well if sent on a speed awareness course. I would be too argumentative. The reality is you need to say "oh yes I get it now, yes sir, three bags full sir, won't speed again sir"
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Should really be called parallel/series parking
You start off parallel with the car in front and then end up in series with it....if you domit correctly
Just..............An electrical analogy for everything
You start off parallel with the car in front and then end up in series with it....if you domit correctly
Just..............An electrical analogy for everything
I thought that even with a double white line you were allowed to pass things that were not moving over 10mph.... push bikes and hedge cutting operations spring to mind. But would have to find the highway code to confirm
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Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
^^^ I was told this by a very angry police woman after I had over taken her :\
Needless to say I haven't forgotten this rule :blush:
See, these courses really work. Just by discussing it here, people are learning the finer details.
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