To old for RCD!!

[ianmacd]

Wonder if he looks for the cams like on rouge traders. Take a camcorder. Would be funny.

 

[NozSpark]

You better come back and tell us what happens!

Are you going to tell him that you're a sparky or are you going to play it dumb (with info got of t'internet)????

Might be fun to play it dumb, see what he says and then tell him you're a spark and watch his face go white....

then get him to put it right at his expense or you're going to shop him to NICEIC and trading standards

 

[Lurch]

Are you going to tell him that you're a sparky or are you going to play it dumb (with info got of t'internet)????Might be fun to play it dumb, see what he says and then tell him you're a spark and watch his face go white....

then get him to put it right at his expense or you're going to shop him to NICEIC and trading standards

Don't think that's a good plan, saying 'fix it or i'm telling' is pretty much blackmail, and he should be fixing it anyway and he should be reported to the NIC anyway. Even if he does get it right (ish) second time round the fact he tried to pass it off as correctly done the first time round is not acceptable.

Also, leaping out and saying 'aha, I'm a sparky really' is likely to get you smacked round the chops or similar. I would also not want to start getting into a technical argument with some people as they will argue and swear blind that black is white and vice versa. Stand back, take notes and report findings to the NIC.

 

[NozSpark]

Ok, maybe not the right way to go about it...

Maybe say you were not happy with what you thought and that you got someone in to have a look...

any complaint must be made in writing to the company before going to the NICEIC, if they then choose to carry out remedials then you cannot go to the NICEIC.... it's the same with anything, you have to give the company chance to sort it out before you go to the next stage

 

[Lurch]

any complaint must be made in writing to the company before going to the NICEIC, if they then choose to carry out remedials then you cannot go to the NICEIC.... it's the same with anything, you have to give the company chance to sort it out before you go to the next stage

I realise this is the official way of doing it but how many more jobs has he done like this and not been called on? He needs reporting, simple as, even if he does correct it, regardless of what the NIC say. If the NIC aren;t bothered then take it to trading standards. He tried to do a shoddy job and get away with it, there's no non-cowboyishness\imcompetence about it.

 

[ianmacd]

Did he supply a quote before the work and if so is it detailed? What does the install instructions for the shower say about a dedicated circuit?

 

[ianmacd]

Ok, maybe not the right way to go about it...Maybe say you were not happy with what you thought and that you got someone in to have a look...

any complaint must be made in writing to the company before going to the NICEIC, if they then choose to carry out remedials then you cannot go to the NICEIC.... it's the same with anything, you have to give the company chance to sort it out before you go to the next stage

Ask so see a copy of the complains procedure as he will have to be recording them and show them to NIC if needed.

 

[NozSpark]

I realise this is the official way of doing it but how many more jobs has he done like this and not been called on? He needs reporting, simple as, even if he does correct it, regardless of what the NIC say. If the NIC aren;t bothered then take it to trading standards. He tried to do a shoddy job and get away with it, there's no non-cowboyishness\imcompetence about it.

I agree,,, people like this should not be able to trade!! and should be reported.

If he gets a written complaint it should go in is complaint log (right,,,, that's really going to happen) for the inspector to see next visit!

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

The shower is a Dimplex Ax2 7.5kw Electric Shower. Not sure where he got his power from but more than likely taken from the upstairs ring.I have looked on the NIC web site and his name IS on it.

He also has now been in touch with the lady, and said all his work is to the latest reg's and would be backed up by NIC. Also said he would drop the certs round next week and was happy to talk the lady through them.

He said he has put on the cert, he recommends a re-wire and new c/u, which he can price up next week if she wants him to do!!

She asked him if it was OK for her son to be there, which he said yes, so next week I'm going to get a new mum for the day.

Will let you know what happens, if he turns up??

Cheers to you all,

Lyngarth

Dimplex ax2?

tech spec & details here..

http://www.dimplex.co.uk/products/water_heating/showers/aX2/index.htm

instruction book says..

SECTION 6Electrical connection

Warning! This appliance must be earthed

The shower unit must be permanently

connected to the electricity supply, direct from

the consumer unit via a double pole linked

switch with a minimum contact gap of 3mm.

The switch must be readily accessible and

clearly identifiable and out of reach of a person

using a fixed bath or shower tray, unless the

switch is cord operated. The wiring must be

connected to the switch without the use of a

plug or socket outlet.

The cable size required is determined by the kW

rating of the shower and the distance between

the shower and the consumer unit. The table

below will help you choose the correct cable

for your installation, but it will depend upon the

precise circumstances of the installation. If you

are in any doubt consult an electrician.

and they then say a 7.5KW nominal current 31.25 amps

requires 40 amps MCB either 27m with 6.0mm or 44m with 10.0mm

So in which way has your bloke complied with regulation 134.1.1 page 19

Good workmanship etc.. etc.. Electrical equipment shall be installed in accordance with the instructions provided by the manufactures of the equipment.

and of course 701.411.3.3.

locations containing a bath or shower RCD protection?

be interested to know???

:| ?:|

 

[ProDave]

I think the most shocking thing about this job is where has he got his supply from for the shower? I'm very interested to hear the answer to that one.

The lack of RCD and poor (non existent due to paint) earth bonding are still valid complaints, but I still think the major non compliance is wherever he got a supply from.

The guy was simply a fool for bodging the job. In a case like this I would have recommended a CU change to do the job properly. If the customer declined that (and that's their prerogative) then I would have installed a mini 2 way CU with RCD just to feed the shower and left the other CU's alone. Still would have done earth bonding properly.

If the customer wouldn't even agree to that, then I would have turned the job down and walked away.

Perhaps you need to suggest BBC's Rogue Traders gives this guy a try.

 

[Doc Hudson]

I think the most shocking thing about this job is where has he got his supply from for the shower? I'm very interested to hear the answer to that one.The lack of RCD and poor (non existent due to paint) earth bonding are still valid complaints, but I still think the major non compliance is wherever he got a supply from.

The guy was simply a fool for bodging the job. In a case like this I would have recommended a CU change to do the job properly. If the customer declined that (and that's their prerogative) then I would have installed a mini 2 way CU with RCD just to feed the shower and left the other CU's alone. Still would have done earth bonding properly.

If the customer wouldn't even agree to that, then I would have turned the job down and walked away.

I agree ProDave, those options sound like the correct approach for any professional tradesperson to either accept or decline the original work. It will be interesting to see what further details come to light on this topic?

Doc H.

 

[Lyngarth]

Update

Right was all set to meet up with the sparky tomorrow at 12:30, and have a chat with him with my new mum.

Just had a phone call (10 minutes ago ) from the customer saying after hearing a noise at her front door she as just found her cheque, the one he took, posted back through the door!!!

She has just tired to get hold of him but no reply.

So tomorrow she will try to get in touch with NIC and report the chap also she is going to seek legal advice as what to do next.

I have told her I'm willing to do the job for her including a full cu change but not until the NIC and others have been and seen the work.

Will keep you all updated as and when.

Lyngarth

 

[Andy™]

i think he knows he's in trouble and trying to avoid it? (possibly even read this thread?)

but at least she wont have to worry about getting her money back

 

[NozSpark]

At least she's got her money back then.....

bear in mind that complaints to the NICEIC are only to do with the standard of work and have nothing to do with any contract

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

oh you sods!!!!!!!!!!!!! X(

I thought we were going to find out the question that is on all of our lips...

Who killed JR!? ]

oopps sorry..

WHERE IS THE SHOWER FED FROM!!!!

I wanna know????? :_| :_| :_|

good news about the cheque tho! :Applaud:Applaud

 

[Andy™]

WHERE IS THE SHOWER FED FROM!!!!

I wanna know????? :_| :_| :_|

 

[Lyngarth]

oh you sods!!!!!!!!!!!!! X( WHERE IS THE SHOWER FED FROM!!!!

I wanna know????? :_| :_| :_|

good news about the cheque tho! :Applaud:Applaud

I'm going around first thing tomorrow so will find out just for you

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

I'm going around first thing tomorrow so will find out just for you

:x :x

I will be waiting....

mouse clicking over the "NEW POSTS" button like a trigger happy kid on a playstation! :^O :^O:^O

 

[Lyngarth]

Well go easy on that mouse, as I might not get to a computer until tea time, so sit back and have a nice :coffee

But I will report tomorrow.

 

[Lurch]

bear in mind that complaints to the NICEIC are only to do with the standard of work and have nothing to do with any contract

Don't think there should be any problems there going on the photos already in this thread.