VAT and fuel duty , up again.

[Robojin]

you know, my mum lived in Switzerland for 6 years... as she was an immigrant , she couldn

 

[Marc]

In reality the rise is

 

[Robojin]

And to follow SL's

 

[Badger]

And to follow SL's

 

[Robojin]

Badger don't forget half would go to the HMRC, so your down to

 

[Badger]

Badger don't forget half would go to the HMRC, so your down to

 

[Sidewinder]

Ahh,

IF you had

 

[Evans Electric]

Bet the tax on the interest would , Sidevalve !!

 

[Sidewinder]

Nah mate if you have that in the bank you don't pay much tax!

 

[Larnacaman]

SL, is seeing how things really are.

Those of you that think Tory Governments get the country on it's feet and Labour governments just spend, really do have some extremely short memories. Or much more likely, they are Tory die hards. Well, buckle up cause your going to find out just how much the Tories are going to help the general population this time round, if the last time is anything to go by!!!

The Truth is, that no-matter what Party is in Government, they will always work for the good and the benifit of there Party, rather than for the good of the country....

Nothing that this present government will do in it's legislation will have a detrimental affect to the so called ''Well Offs'' They will probably come out at the end of the tunnel, considerably better off than they are now. Where-as the so-called middle and working classes will be directly affected and will no doubt be considerably worse off...

Sure there needs to be a lot of changes made in the UK, but this present government isn't going to make the right changes, or the one's that will mean anything for the good of the UK in the future. As already shown, it's just going to be another round of management by crisis. Which means they'll just be creating further problems down the line, by there actions of today!!

One things for sure, there certainly needs to be a reduction in the Civil Servant population. But that should start at the very TOP, where there are plenty of those old public schoolboy clowns that have never done a decent days work in there lives. Then the so-called senior managers and the like, that have assistants to assistants. Only then do you start working down the line to the ordinary work force...

Oh, and don't go blaming ANY government that was in power for the recession the World is in or just coming out of. That was caused by the Greed of the banks and speculators. The very people that are well on there way to making a fortune out of their own calamity. And hey!!! ....most of that new money is VAT Free in the EU and the majority of the rest of the world. Anyone getting the real picture yet??

I'm not a Die Hard Labour, Liberal, or Tory, I support none of them in totality. They all have some good points, but they rarely make use of them. Maybe if there was an ALL party coalition they may actually start working for the Good of the Country for a change, but even then, i wouldn't be holding my breath ...lol!!!

Try and see past all the propaganda, ie,... reports, surveys, statement of accounts etc, that i've seen flying around. Most have been written to suit someones or organisations purpose, and as anyone should surely know by now, ....Figures can be made to show ''anything'' you Want them to say, which is how the ''Haves'' never pay anywhere near the Taxes they should be paying!!!

As SL states, There's nothing much you can do, you just have to hang on tight and hope you come out the other side, in as reasonable position as possible....

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

One other point to remember...

No matter Which party is in government..

no matter what the state of the economy is...

Once any party has been in power for 10+ years TWO problems unfold...

1/ The governing party becomes power blind thinking they are invincible

2/ A younger generation of voters (the 20 to early 30's age group) who can never clearly remember the other party being in power or how their underlying policies actually manifest themselves...

are lead easily into thinking that the opposition party(s) have some miraculous answers that will benefit every one!

time has to tick by for reality to bite and sink back in!

:| :C

Youngsters do not be fooled...

p.s.

another problem of modern industry is that they often get rid of a lot of the older wiser management personnel and bring in younger graduate bods still wet behind the ears with very little real knowledge or experience of life...

Chocked up to the eyeballs with all the business speak and lingo

But not a clue how to resolve real problems..

Basically no more than children doing mens jobs!

:C

 

[Evans Electric]

Oh Specs .. how many times have we seen that happen !!!! It started with yer 'arold bleedin' Wilson that what ...... I didn't get where I am today by starting with Harold bleedin' Wilson, I started out with nothing and I 've still got most of it left!!

 

[Larnacaman]

SL,

Good points, ....have to agree with everything in your last post.

Once you were only ever considered for a manergerial position if you had a wealth of experience, and had the intelligence to use that experience. What could a 21/22 year old graduate contribute to any business/enterprise in a management position?? Nothing is the Real Answer....

The only thing i would add, is the ''Die Hard'' individules who no-matter what, will support a political party, no matter what they do, or how they detrimentally effect them!!! They never seem to be able to recognise the sheer stupidity in there arguments. Only ever listen or see, what they want to believe, ignoring all else!!!

 

[septiclecky]

Nah mate if you have that in the bank you don't pay much tax!

It would be in an off shore bank account ah

---------- AUTO MERGE Post added at 07:45 ---------- Previous post was at 07:43 ----------

One other point to remember...No matter Which party is in government..

no matter what the state of the economy is...

Once any party has been in power for 10+ years TWO problems unfold...

1/ The governing party becomes power blind thinking they are invincible

2/ A younger generation of voters (the 20 to early 30's age group) who can never clearly remember the other party being in power or how their underlying policies actually manifest themselves...

are lead easily into thinking that the opposition party(s) have some miraculous answers that will benefit every one!

time has to tick by for reality to bite and sink back in!

:| :C

Youngsters do not be fooled...

p.s.

another problem of modern industry is that they often get rid of a lot of the older wiser management personnel and bring in younger graduate bods still wet behind the ears with very little real knowledge or experience of life...

Chocked up to the eyeballs with all the business speak and lingo

But not a clue how to resolve real problems..

Basically no more than children doing mens jobs!

:C

And that is why when teaching history it should be about history of this country not some place else in the world like they are trying to do now

 

[Larnacaman]

And that is why when teaching history it should be about history of this country not some place else in the world like they are trying to do now

Maybe teach a bit more of UK's modern history!!! As things change at such a rapid pace these days.

But we don't want our Kids to end up like the Yank Kids, knowing absolutly Nothing about anywhere else but America, ...A Secular mind-set is no-good to anyone...

History like any other subject, should be well rounded...

 

[Robojin]

another problem of modern industry is that they often get rid of a lot of the older wiser management personnel and bring in younger graduate bods still wet behind the ears with very little real knowledge or experience of life...

Chocked up to the eyeballs with all the business speak and lingo

But not a clue how to resolve real problems..

Basically no more than children doing mens jobs!

:C

Oh so true, not so long ago I was a senior manager with direct responsibility of sales turnover in the several 10's of millions, I was very good at hitting targets, because I'd been in the business for 20 years so understood it (e.g. the experience as Specs has eluded to), my very much younger boss (a director) was always talking in riddles (management speak), and always looking for new ideas "we need some blue sky thinking!" ROTFWL . I don't think I ever saw a new idea that had not been thought of before albeit with a fresh coat of 'Management Speak' paint. But sadly I was only good at producing target busting results, so after a while the genius decided I was not a "team player", you can now understand why I'm now longer in that trade

American owned companies are obsessed with the "young blood", and will happily abandon those with considerable experience and then wonder why it all goes pear shaped

 

[Larnacaman]

Robjin,

I think every single guy here over 45, has seen exactly what you describe, or very similar. These youngsters want to run before they can even crawl. They cannot, and don't want to believe that ''Experience'' is the REAL buzzword, ....and the only one that works!!! They don't want to believe, because that means they can't have, what they want NOW!!

Which is why most of these youngsters are in debt upto their eyeballs, or applying for bankruptcy before they reach 30. Instead of saving for what they want, they buy immediately on credit cards or loans. Never seeing that they will be paying several times over.... NO, the i Want it NOW mentality of our youngsters is i'm afraid here to stay....

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Oh so true, not so long ago I was a senior manager with direct responsibility of sales turnover in the several 10's of millions, I was very good at hitting targets, because I'd been in the business for 20 years so understood it (e.g. the experience as Specs has eluded to), my very much younger boss (a director) was always talking in riddles (management speak), and always looking for new ideas "we need some blue sky thinking!" ROTFWL . I don't think I ever saw a new idea that had not been thought of before albeit with a fresh coat of 'Management Speak' paint. But sadly I was only good at producing target busting results, so after a while the genius decided I was not a "team player", you can now understand why I'm now longer in that trade American owned companies are obsessed with the "young blood", and will happily abandon those with considerable experience and then wonder why it all goes pear shaped

:Salute

Been there seen that scenario a few time myself...

There is another business trend in the same vein which causes more grief than good.... The basic principal works something like this:-

i) You should always be looking to "Move On", "Develop Your Career"

ii) If you have been in the same post for more than 5 years you have stagnated and are no good to the progress of the business.

iii) All young dynamic managers who take up any position must make some changes while they are in that position..

(otherwise there was no need to get the new manager in was there?)

iv) Because of i), ii) & iii) the new dynamic whiz kid manager has to make some significant changes before he moves on within 5 years!

v) During the first year he is just getting to know the ropes so doesn't do much.. try to gain the confidence of the staff meanwhile Manager is deciding what he's going to do.. without any consultation to any of the real staff lower down doing the daily work.

vi) 2nd year in position, manager calls some team meetings, to brainstorm how to "improve" the business. 3 or 4 suggestions are put to all the staff, some are dummy ideas that would never be implemented anyway. plus the one that the manager has already decided he's going to do.

vii) Few days later following the meetings and listening to the staff feedback Mr new manager tell the staff the great new methods of working to be implemented.. (and the cuts and savings this includes!).. convince staff they have just put forward the suggestion that management were going to do anyway.

viii) Any changes made will take 18 - 24months to settle down and bed-in with all staff... While things are still a bit bumpy just keep telling staff. "We are in a time of transition, improvement, streamlining, and we must all pull together and go that extra mile, to implement these changes as smoothly as possible"

ix) During this 18 - 24 months of change there will be a few cost savings to the company...

So Mr new manager gets his fat pay cheque bonus for doing really good!

x) By now its coming to the 4 year mark, so time for Mr manager to look at moving on! can't have him stagnating!! so during the next 8months he is winding down and looking at pastures new.

xi) Its only after manager has left his old role that the changes he implemented prove to be a bad idea and start failing!!!! But Mr whiz kid is all gone and spent his bonus and doing new things elsewhere

xii) So another new manger comes in.....

Go back to point iii) and repeat the cycle endlessly until the company is finally wound down, chopped up and sold off!!!!

:_|

Seen the above cycle numerous times within three national companies! :|

All older experience managers 55+ retired off early or put on gardening leave for a few years.

progress eh!

:C

 

[Robojin]

:Salute Been there seen that scenario a few time myself...

There is another business trend in the same vein which causes more grief than good.... The basic principal works something like this:-

i) American management ethos

ii) American management ethos

iii) American management ethos

iv) American management ethos

v) American management ethos

vi) American management ethos

vii) American management ethos

viii) American management ethos

ix) American management ethos

x) American management ethos

xi) IAmerican management ethos

xii) American management ethos

:_|

:C

There you are Specs, I have saved you some typing

You forgot about that he cashed in his shares just before the price bombed

Now you know why self employed has it's attractions, you only have one boss 'she who shall be obeyed' and the only silly ideas come from the ankle biters 'bless'

 

[Theorysparky]

finally found it

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KZeiSKnhOBc?feature=oembed