Whats the difference ?

[Catalin Neagu]

Hi.

I was wondering if someone could spare me two mins in order to answer a querry.

What is the difference between obtaining electrician certification via C&G 2330 level 1 - 3 as opposed to obtaining C&G 2382 (17th Ed), 2377 (portable appliance testing), 2391 (inspection and testing), 2392 (verification)?

I have researched the Internet but can't come up with an answer. Does the C&G 2330 include C&G 2382, 2377, 2391, 2392,(which I have them all) or is the C&G 2330 a far more comprehensive route and therefore is nor required to cover these other qualification?

Ant help will be much appreciated.

Cheers

Kat:Salute

 

[Technician]

The 2330, 2382, 2391, 2392 and the 2377 are all

separate qualifications.

The 2330 to level 3 is the one that encompasses

competence in design, installation, testing of

electrical systems and some would say outranks

the 2392.

2391 is for three phase inspection and test plus

periodics.

2382 is an assessment of knowledge of the 17th ed.

regulations.

2392 is currently for inspection and test of single

phase new installs not including three phase or

periodics.

2391 is currently being withdrawn to be replaced by

2394 & 2395, but registrations are being taken IIRC

up to Dec this year.

Hope this assists. I am sure others will come in and

add comments.

 

[Brian 157]

2330 L2 & L3, or the new 2365 L2 & L3 are (usually) 3 years of one day a week at college with exams at the end of each year which provide the technical certificates or underpinning knowledge for a 2356 L3 NVQ which would make the JIB recognise you as an electrician. Alternatively the 2357 diploma which has knowledge units (equivalent to technical certificates) and performance units (equivalent to NVQ)would get you the same recognition.

2382 is a short course in the regulations, originally intended to update electricians to new regulations.

2377 teaches you to test portable appliances.

2392 is a L2 course in initial verification of electrical installations.

2391 is a L3 course in (mostly periodic) inspection and testing.

2382, 2377, 2392 & 2391 are all short CPD courses & do not teach you Ohm's law, power formulae, three phase theory or how to bend conduit (all included in 2330).

Some approving bodies may recognise you as a domestic installer or similar with 2382, 2377, 2392 & 2391 but you will not qualify for a JIB/ECS gold card & would not have gained the same knowledge as someone with 2330, 2357 or 2365.

 

[Catalin Neagu]

So where am I now guys?

Thanks

 

[Technician]

You are doing very well; how about

a part time degree?

 

[Brian 157]

If you're intending to go self employed you may be able to get Domestic Installer approval from NICEIC, NAPIT or ELECSA. What practical experience & technical knowledge do you have? With your qualifications but no experience you may be able to get work as a trainee/mate/improver, but I'd recommend going for the 2357 or 2365 to get yourself fully qualified. If you've passed the other courses you obviously have the ability to learn & study skills required. A lot of this depends on your age, your experience and what you want to do in the future.

 

[gavindrummond]

I'm glad this got brought up as I don't know what to do my self. I've currently obtained my NVQ level 2 + 2330 level 2. I don't know what to go for next the 2330 level 2 or the NVQ level 3 and what's the difference and how do they each benefit me?

Thanks for any replies

 

[CTID]

As far as I am aware the C&G2330 level 2 and 3 combined with the C&G2356 are the qualifications that will class you as a qualified electrician. The C&G2357 replaces all of the above as one complete course and is a combination of the above, this is the new qualification to be classed as qualified electrician. The registration for the C&G2356 ends December of this year and there will then only be the C&G2357. The 2356 and 2357 are both classed as NVQ level 3's

 

[Brian 157]

As far as I am aware the C&G2330 level 2 and 3 combined with the C&G2356 are the qualifications that will class you as a qualified electrician. The C&G2357 replaces all of the above as one complete course and is a combination of the above, this is the new qualification to be classed as qualified electrician. The registration for the C&G2356 ends December of this year and there will then only be the C&G2357. The 2356 and 2357 are both classed as NVQ level 3's

CTID more or less has it spot on although there is the new 2365 being launched now which is a replacement for 2330 and should hopefully have the Government funding 2330 no longer has for over 19s (reducing the course fee). 2357 is the only option for apprentices.

Gavin, my advice to you would be continue on to Level 3 for both your 2330 & 2356, and if AM2 is relevant in Wales take that too. For some reason the 2356 L2 was dropped in England but continues in Wales, if I remeber correctly it covers one entry for each PO in a couple of units of Level 3, 301 & 304, Health & Safety.