Backwards step?

[Sharpend]

So is this the end of the surge to buy EV’s?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61795693
Or is this how the Government put it all onto us to buy these, as they have with the Solar Pv, solar started out with FITS and incentives and that has all but gone so the onus is for us (the public) to pay out and potentially do our own DIY installs

 

[steptoe]

Most households if average income could never afford an electric car anyway, never mind a new ICE vehicle, so why should they subsidise the elite few that can afford a piece of shit EV that costs as much environmental damage to produce as a diesel does in a 20 year lifespan,?
And that doesn't take into account the laughable recyclability of these so called environmentally friendly bits of crap.
90% of people that drive EVs do it for a feel good factor thinking they are helping the planet, they are delusional.

 

[Murdoch]

From what I’m seeing, most so called ”professional” installs are carp and given that numerous outlets are selling EV chargers direct to the public I suspect there will be countless DIY installs from now on

as for these following regs or COPs…… the mind boggles

 

[binky]

They always kick off with subsidy schemes to get these things moving, then cut off scheme. Trouble is, they also allow quangos like MCS get their fingers stuck in the pie, and try to enforce membership to be able to fit said gear. All in the name of quality and maintaining standards of course

 

[binky]

Most households if average income could never afford an electric car anyway, never mind a new ICE vehicle, so why should they subsidise the elite few that can afford a piece of shit EV that costs as much environmental damage to produce as a diesel does in a 20 year lifespan,?
And that doesn't take into account the laughable recyclability of these so called environmentally friendly bits of crap.
90% of people that drive EVs do it for a feel good factor thinking they are helping the planet, they are delusional.

https://electrek.co/2019/04/22/study-electric-cars-dirtier-diesel-debunked/amp/
Everyone I know who has bought an EV has done it for the savings over diesel.

However, as discussed before, no new vehicle is greener than keeping an existing vehicle on the road for as long as possible. Personally, I still think hydrogen tech is preferably.

 

[steptoe]

https://electrek.co/2019/04/22/study-electric-cars-dirtier-diesel-debunked/amp/
Everyone I know who has bought an EV has done it for the savings over diesel.

However, as discussed before, no new vehicle is greener than keeping an existing vehicle on the road for as long as possible. Personally, I still think hydrogen tech is preferably.

What about all the child slavery to get the stuff needed for the batteries,?
I don't suppose that bothers their conscience really,
no EV is really that green, except maybe after its actually been manufactured and is charged up solely by solar, which doesn't happen in the real world, and the manufacture of it is far from green.
I'm currently driving a Ford Kuga plug in hybrid, does an amazing 44kms after a full 4hour charge, WTF use is 44km to anyone that lives in the real world,?
Oh, and it won't actually go unless it has diesel in it, it uses the actual real engine along with the washing machine motor, so what idiot decided this was an EV,?
May as well buy an EV van and stick a diesel Genny in the back, ala Top Gear, they were ahead of their time with that episode.

 

[binky]

What about all the child slavery to get the stuff needed for the batteries,?
I don't suppose that bothers their conscience really,
no EV is really that green, except maybe after its actually been manufactured and is charged up solely by solar, which doesn't happen in the real world, and the manufacture of it is far from green.
I'm currently driving a Ford Kuga plug in hybrid, does an amazing 44kms after a full 4hour charge, WTF use is 44km to anyone that lives in the real world,?
Oh, and it won't actually go unless it has diesel in it, it uses the actual real engine along with the washing machine motor, so what idiot decided this was an EV,?
May as well buy an EV van and stick a diesel Genny in the back, ala Top Gear, they were ahead of their time with that episode.

The child slavery is a bit of a myth put about by the anti green brigade.

Hybrid should seriously improve milage from regenerative braking, same as F1 cars. What mpg do you get on a run? The caretaker at a school I do the maintenance for has a hybrid, he lives about 5 miles from the school, and hasn't used anything except electric for months. IMHO he should have got and electric bike and saved £40k

 

[NozSpark]

When you see that the vast majority of car journeys are less than 25 miles then 44kms of range is pretty decent... the problem is that you've bought a car that doesn't really suit your needs, that's not the cars fault.
On a side note I don't think that any Hybrid is a good idea, when you're on battery you're dragging an engine and fuel tank around that you're not using and when you're on ICE you're dragging around a battery and motor that you're not using.
And... as for Hydrogen... there's only something like 14 stations in the country and 2 of them are our of order... that's an absolute non-starter IMHO

 

[binky]

And... as for Hydrogen... there's only something like 14 stations in the country and 2 of them are our of order... that's an absolute non-starter IMHO

Infrastructure is a major hurdle, this is where you need government leadership and investment, but we have a government that just believes in leaving everything to private investment, so it doesn't happen. Japan, is very much going down the hydrogen route, Google a few articles if you have time.

 

[NozSpark]

Infrastructure is a major hurdle, this is where you need government leadership and investment, but we have a government that just believes in leaving everything to private investment, so it doesn't happen. Japan, is very much going down the hydrogen route, Google a few articles if you have time.

Right now Hydrogen is absolute green washing.... it takes something like 7kW of electricity to extract the same amount of Hydrogen that will power a car for the same amount of miles that 1kW will power a battery car.... while I agree that this technology will improve, so will battery tech... I can really see Hydrogen being ideal for haulage but that's about it

 

[Murdoch]

Banning gas guzzling ICE vehicles should be done immediately.

simple, cost effective and would have immediate benefits

 

[Sharpend]

Stop press Breaking news………….

A little known car company has the solution combine solar with Ev and for a small amount of money in todays terms you get this

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/worlds-first-solar-car-heralds-dawn-of-a-new-era/ar-AAYrwR1

 

[binky]

Stop press Breaking news………….

A little known car company has the solution combine solar with Ev and for a small amount of money in todays terms you get this

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/worlds-first-solar-car-heralds-dawn-of-a-new-era/ar-AAYrwR1

There used to be a n engineering challenge for solar powered vehicles to cross Australia. I'll see if I can find a link.

 

[binky]

Right now Hydrogen is absolute green washing.... it takes something like 7kW of electricity to extract the same amount of Hydrogen that will power a car for the same amount of miles that 1kW will power a battery car.... while I agree that this technology will improve, so will battery tech... I can really see Hydrogen being ideal for haulage but that's about it

Granted, efficiency of hydrogen isn't good, but you can't really use batteries for anything heavy, so we need a hydrogen based solution of some sort. The link I posted above in response to Steptoe was in regard to missinformation about EVs from a company developing hydrogen/ methane combination. Perhaps there's milage in such combinations?

 

[King Arthur]

Hydrogen certainly has some merits but we must remember that it's not a primary source of energy and has to be manufactured, hence the efficiency issues. In that respect it's just like electricity.
The challenge we have to face is the incredible energy density of fossil fuels, which makes them difficult to replace effectively.
But the real issue isn't burning fossil fuels per se, it's the population we're trying to support on a planet of finite resources. Humans have become a 'pest species' and we're fouling our own nest.

 

[gezb]

The government grants were only available on cars up to £30k, which limited it to the Renault Zoe and maybe the MG. Scrapping the grant will have minimal effect.

 

[Murdoch]

Stop press Breaking news………….

A little known car company has the solution combine solar with Ev and for a small amount of money in todays terms you get this

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/worlds-first-solar-car-heralds-dawn-of-a-new-era/ar-AAYrwR1

wow that EV is expensive.

but I do like honesty about the solar powered range - assuming its accurate and we all know how optimistic ICE consumption figures are

 

[Mike.J]

My fishing buddy has a new BMW hybrid it does a whopping 23miles on electric and then 26mpg on the petrol motor, my diesel BMW gives me 40mpg on its 3lt motor, think I will stick with internal combustion for now, and just for information my road tax is about £140 pa can't remember the exact amount.

 

[David R Connell]

Hydrogen certainly has some merits but we must remember that it's not a primary source of energy and has to be manufactured, hence the efficiency issues. In that respect it's just like electricity.
The challenge we have to face is the incredible energy density of fossil fuels, which makes them difficult to replace effectively.
But the real issue isn't burning fossil fuels per se, it's the population we're trying to support on a planet of finite resources. Humans have become a 'pest species' and we're fouling our own nest.

BMW has been running a 7series around Munich for years first heard about it in the late 90' (obviously a 7 has the room for a tank)) nothing that I know of has moved forward on that but I'm open to correction.

 

[revjames]

personally, I think a full on EV, with a range extending very efficient petrol engine with a generator running at constant RPM in the boot as a range extender would be a big improvement. Mazda were experimenting woth a small horizontally mounted rotary with this in mind. Vauxhall Ampera and BMW i3 a couple that I can think of with range extending small engines. How will we ever get rid of all ICE? lawnmowers, strimmers, chainsaws.... there is a long way to go with just 8 years of ICE car manufacturing left.