Bedroom Into A Kitchen

[marthart]

Hi Folks I am looking for a bit of help and info.

I am converting a bedroom into a kitchen in a bungalow type property. I am a retired AirCon engineer and have C&G advanced installations for engineers.

I need to extend the ring main of course and it looks a doddle of a job as I have full access above the ceiling and the plasterboard is fixed to spars so it would be easy to fish through.

With the changes to kitchens as a special area do I need to get a part P chap in ?

Thanks.

Mart

 

[Murdoch]

That would depend if the work planned falls foul of Part P........

 

[Andy™]

depends if th work is notifiable or not. some is some, isnt. either way, you can DIY, but if it is notifiable then you will have to speak to LABC about it

but if it was still a bedroom and you fancied a lot of new sockets which just happened to be in the correct place for a kitchen bench in the future....

 

[ProDave]

It also depends on which part of the "United Kingdom" you are in.

depends if th work is notifiable or not. some is some, isnt. either way, you can DIY, but if it is notifiable then you will have to speak to LABC about it

but if it was still a bedroom and you fancied a lot of new sockets which just happened to be in the correct place for a kitchen bench in the future....

And a cooker point in the "bedroom"?

 

[Andy™]

might have been a dedicated point for the TV?

 

[marthart]

The rules look all look bit grey. I assumed now that kitchens are no longer special area's that extending a ring main was allowed

I am in the north west Earby nr Barnoldswick.

I had to get a gas man in to put the pipe in just so I could get a certificate although I was doing it 40 years ago !

 

[ProDave]

In point of fact, DIY gas work is legal as long as you are competent.

 

[marthart]

In point of fact, DIY gas work is legal as long as you are competent.

Bugger !!!

He knew I was a plumber as well, asked if I had any pipe benders !

 

[Andy™]

going to a job and asking the customer for tools?!

 

[Essex1]

In point of fact, DIY gas work is legal as long as you are competent.

Sweeping statements like that are dangerous. Competence in the gas sense of the word is not like electrics. ACOP specifically list what makes a person 'competent' and it involves being trained to the same standard as someone who is registered with Gas Safe. So a DIYer that 'knows a bit about gas' would not be permitted to carry out gas work even in their own property.

 

[marthart]

going to a job and asking the customer for tools?!

And a torch. steps, hole saw and solder !!!

 

[Sharpend]

It would've been easier to ask him to just leave a blank certificate for you to fill in once you'd used your tools to do the job!!!!!

 

[kerching]

If you need to borrow a tool more than twice then you need to own it!......unless you are very forgetful, or stupid, or both

Just saying

 

[Rob_the_rich]

The gas installer installed a bit of pipe and certified that he installed it. Fine. But he didn't install the cooker, so does not know whether there is enough gas supply in the pipe with all other appliances running for it to run safely, didn't test for gas tightness after the cooker was installed and cannot know whether it was installed to manufacturer's instructions. Bit of a worthless cert really.

Essex1 is right re the ACOP Code and competency; ACOP 45 "..The level and range of competence should match the full extent of work done, but needs only to be sufficient for and relevant to that work done. .." so DIYers need to be of the same standard as Gas Safe approved people for the scope of the work done. ACOP 47 "....Although failure to observe any provision of the Code is not in itself an offence, that failure may be taken by a Court in criminal proceedings as proof that a person has contravened a particular regulation..."

Since 2013, unless you have a bath, shower, swimming pool or sauna in your bedroom/kitchen, electrical work is not notifiable in England (and excepted energy buildings in Wales, apparently)

 

[Lurch]

The gas installer installed a bit of pipe and certified that he installed it. Fine. But he didn't install the cooker, so does not know whether there is enough gas supply in the pipe with all other appliances running for it to run safely, didn't test for gas tightness after the cooker was installed and cannot know whether it was installed to manufacturer's instructions. Bit of a worthless cert really.

Same can be said for any electrical certificate for a circuit with a socket outlet.

 

[Rob_the_rich]

Same can be said for any electrical certificate for a circuit with a socket outlet.

up to a point. Plugging in a hair dryer does not involve "work", but installing a cooker/hob does.

 

[ProDave]

up to a point. Plugging in a hair dryer does not involve "work", but installing a cooker/hob does.

They plug into a self sealing bayonet fitting, not that dissimillar to plugging an electrical appliance in.

 

[Rob_the_rich]

They plug into a self sealing bayonet fitting, not that dissimillar to plugging an electrical appliance in.

funnily enough, you do not need to be "competent" to plug/unplug a cooker into a bayonet fitting. So that people can move the appliance to clean behind. Both ends are self-sealing. But this is not the same as "installing" a cooker.

Edit; Therefore you do not need to be competent to "uninstall" a cooker with a bayonet fitting

 

[ProDave]

funnily enough, you do not need to be "competent" to plug/unplug a cooker into a bayonet fitting. So that people can move the appliance to clean behind. Both ends are self-sealing. But this is not the same as "installing" a cooker.

Edit; Therefore you do not need to be competent to "uninstall" a cooker with a bayonet fitting

So are you saying that if you move into a new house with a bayonet cooker socket but no cooker, you would have to get a gas safe installer to "install" (plug in) your new cooker?

 

[Rob_the_rich]

So are you saying that if you move into a new house with a bayonet cooker socket but no cooker, you would have to get a gas safe installer to "install" (plug in) your new cooker?

Installing is defined as work. To do work on a gas appliance you must be competent. If something goes wrong, you would be responsible.

I get loads of calls around xmas asking to install a new cooker, and people just assume it is a quick job to just connect it up to the existing bayonet. But the hose must be u-shaped and not touch the floor, security chain, clearances above and to sides, gas rates, check functioning of FSDs etc. It is a busy time of year anyway.