Discrimination

[steptoe]

It is a free market

not like 'Burys world famous market then' ?

costs me money everytime I go there.. :C

 

[wozz]

Even DI means alot steps, specified in all UK power networks / EDF paperwork you want meter moving, new supply you need a number for them or they wont do it.

 

[steptoe]

Even DI means alot steps, specified in all UK power networks / EDF paperwork you want meter moving, new supply you need a number for them or they wont do it.

so you have to be NICEIC then?

I dont think so,

AFAIAA only NIC make the distinction,

all other schemes are simply DI by default,

please feel free to correct me on this,

I dont honestly know.

 

[wozz]

No you just have to belong to a scheme they list.

Elesca domestic only

BSI dont know

Napit covers everything and insist on 2391 (which i find VERY ironic)

NIC have two grades.

ECA covers everthing

Others are just defined scope minor works only i believe, cant really remember long day and beer.

 

[steptoe]

so,

NICEIC DI means nothing, just like I said,

its just a scam membership, like all the rest,

 

[batty]

BSI only do full scope no limited so you don't get plumbers and kitchen fitters joining. They will assesss you for other work also I personally am registered to do commercial work as well as domestic but have to show a commercial job on my assessments to stay registered. Also they do other schemes like fire alarm and emergency lighting schemes but i have enough domestic work without this work so don't register for that.

 

[steptoe]

so will you have to show tray, basket, steel work etc batty?

just wondering how it works for other schemes.

 

[batty]

Not really just a commercial job i don't do to much commercial anyway but to be registered i have to show one. One year i didn't do any commercial so got unregistered. I don't think they are as strict as NICEIC thats probably why i'm with them.

 

[Megaohm7]

No you just have to belong to a scheme they list.Elesca domestic only

BSI dont know

Napit covers everything and insist on 2391 (which i find VERY ironic)

NIC have two grades.

ECA covers everthing

Others are just defined scope minor works only i believe, cant really remember long day and beer.

Elecsa and ECA are the same afaik.

 

[Manator]

There are some AC,s who display this notice on their vans and paperwork, who have never installed a single cable. Registration is based on the type of work you do, and the scheme providers are very happy taking your money.

 

[wozz]

Like a company round here who install stair lifts but are ACs what is that all about!

 

[dksanders]

I think you'll find that they cannot specify only NICEIC electricians, there have been a number of cases and I can remember at least one, Nottigham Council I think it was, that were heavily fined for speccing only NIC, as it is against the European Monopoly regulations.

At last, something good came out of us being in the EU, but that's another arguement...

 

[kme]

A big bag of nonsense, wrapped around a grain of fact.

The fact, as has been said before: The council, being part of the government, must be open to competent persons of any scam provider.

Private companies & individuals are a different matter: they can ask for anyone they please, and you can`t do anything about it.

I`m sorry - "something good coming from the EU" - Gawd elp us!

(I like it in my own little world - everybody knows me)

The whole idea of different scam providers, which led on to this "watering down" of OUR industry ( it even used to be our livelihood.........that`s gone down the EU manufactured drain, too ), is to make money for the scam providers. You think you get anything out of it for the money? Awww, bless :slap

20 years ago we had some respect, as a profession. DIY programmes didn`t suggest you DIY; anybody legally could, but those who used to still do - the extra overheads for business forced costs up for legit. companies, and "mr Bodgit" down the pub`ll still do it for you for half the price. Do the LABC`s chase or prosecute these people? Nah - it`d cost money.

Face it: the EC is shafting us from behind, the government is shafting us head-on, and any tom, richard or harry who thinks he knows how to wire something will stiff it to you as well. No matter how you want to read that - we`re s c r e w e d

 

[revjames]

Electricity doesnt seem to have the same respect as gas or even plumbing dare I say?

A few years ago I installed a CH system in the house. I ran all the pipework except the gas I hung the boiler and connected everything except the gas and then filled the system and bled it and cured the odd leak. I thought to myself I just need a Corgi guy to connect the gas and comission the boiler. No one would do it - I was made to feel like a criminal by most companies - much sucking through teeth and shaking of heads was done. Thankfully a mate of a mate came, installed 3m of 22mm pipe, turned the gas on and charged me

 

[m4tty]

Is it actually illegal to connect your own boiler to gas. My dads always done his own gas work and world also do mine if I needed it done. My pal who's a plumber but not gas registered has also just installed his own central heating Inc gas connection. As long as he can get a safety cert it will be ok to sell won't it?

 

[kme]

Similar last year - boiler went for an internally explosive jollie; so I replaced it. Same as the original CH install, I stripped the old boiler out, and refitted the new `un; apart from the gas pipe. Me not like gas.....

Pipe from meter (otherside of wall), through ready-made hole; elbow to vertical and slight dog-leg to manifold. I`d pre-bent the pipe; everything just ready to sweat up. "my" plumber came out after work, plumbed it up, tested it and charged me

 

[revjames]

I have always done gas in the past - its not rocket science - its just copper conduit without the threads.... but I wanted a corgi cert for the warranty

 

[Badger]

I thought this was going to be an RCD discrimination thing. If they say they want NICEIC there really is not a lot you can do about it. If you belong to a scheme they may fight your case. I am with BSI and they say they will fight your case if you have problems like this. Not sure why NICEIC is specked because most of the rough jobs I have seen have been by NICEIC contractors. Good luck with it.

:coat :^O

 

[batty]

I personally would not touch gas although I did cap off pipe when we changed from gas to electric cooker and touch wood in fifteen years it hasn't leaked yet. As for changing a boiler I got a builder that i work with to fit ours now they used to be heating engineers before the corgi came in and they didn't want the hassle of it all so consentrated on building work. I am not competant to do it myself so would not attemt it and to busy doing electrical work.

 

[Doc Hudson]

I think you'll find that they cannot specify only NICEIC electricians, there have been a number of cases and I can remember at least one, Nottigham Council I think it was, that were heavily fined for speccing only NIC, as it is against the European Monopoly regulations.At last, something good came out of us being in the EU, but that's another arguement...

I think you will find any business or council for that matter can put whatever criteria they like into a tender specification, monopoly has nothing to do with anything, as NICEIC do not have a monopoly nor do the council. Hovever they all operate within a free market. No different from certain wholesalers preferring to stock certain makes of CU or cable etc.

Doc H.