do we really need n.i.c. , napit ect.....

[rolldeep]

hi i have done a full electrical apprenticeship nvq level 3, and 2391 inspection and testing qualification i have worked for a company for 5 years but i am now currently working for a freind who is registered with n.i.c.

I just would like to know why we have to be registered with a company to prove that i am doing my job correctly when i have the qualifications to prove so? my freind had to pay to join up and to pay for a re-assessment because of a couple of minor defects that has cost him nearly a thousand pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!! a lot of money for a batch of test sheets!

I have briefly had a look at the regulations and i may be wrong but it mainly says that you have to be electrical competant to be working on electrical systems, So say if you did not sign up with any governing body could you be liable in a court of law?

This is only a short message as i could go on for a least a couple more pages i would just like know a few facts!!

 

[msb2003]

Your correct that its what the regs say and they're not law but part p is and while many peolpe like you are suitably qualified many are not!! its not perfect but its all we've got!

 

[green-hornet]

Firstly welcome to the forum rolldeep.

Yes I know it can be frustrating when to prove competancy your certificates do just that.

The problem with part P is that if your not registered with a scheme provider you have to go through the building notification process, this would intail informing them before any notifiable work is undertaken and paying the appropiate fee.

If you are signed up to a provider then you do not need to go through this, just electronically report the job at the end and all relevent conformaty notices are sent on your behalf to prove that the installation is to current building regulations and complies with BS 7671.

If you only do 1 or 2 houses per year, it may be cheaper to do it this way, but if your daily income is based on domestic work then being a member of one of the providers is going to be cheaper.

 

[Evans Electric]

I think we all know how you feel Rolly , the Part P providers are refered to as "Scams" on here. Unfortunately we have no say in the matter and as you probably know it is now made very difficult to carry out domestic work covered by Local Building Control without paying the "blackmail" money to belong to a scheme.

Work not covered by LBC is still carried out by anybody ,there are a couple of Home Improvement firms by me who do their own electrics , none of them actually Sparks.

Far be it for me to say that a scheme finds fault so that a recall is charged for .

However we have to put up with it , the basic idea is sound , the scheme you enlist with is claiming that you are a competent installer . This Forum has shown that that is not always the case and also it seems to have had no effect whatsoever on the Booted and Spurred brigade .

I think the present system does sustain standards, to a degree but I start to think that we are becoming cash cows , there is always something else to be paid for ,another qualification, lets change the perfectly good 16th edition and earn lots of dough from the mugs who actually use tools and get their hands dirty, you know, those silly ****s who are always crawling through lagging in people's lofts and spend their days bent double ,levering floorboards up etc while we sit around in warm offices in nice suits just talking about it .

Ohhh Boy am I wound up NOWWWWWWWWW

GGGGggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!!

Oh by the way Rollover, welcome to the Forum.

Deke

 

[green-hornet]

I would like to quote you but all I can say is lol, thats me all over

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

hello

welcome to the forum...

hi i have done a full electrical apprenticeship nvq level 3, and 2391 inspection and testing qualification i have worked for a company for 5 years but i am now currently working for a freind who is registered with n.i.c.

I just would like to know why we have to be registered with a company to prove that i am doing my job correctly when i have the qualifications to prove so?

answer you don't.

my freind had to pay to join up and to pay for a re-assessment because of a couple of minor defects that has cost him nearly a thousand pounds!!!!!!!!!!!!! a lot of money for a batch of test sheets!

Just an idle thought... :|

perhaps your friend is not as bright and as competent as he thinks he is? :innocent

I have never had any non-competences on any of my assessment visits...

At approx

 

[PC Electrics]

To pick up Specs final point:

When I was in automotive R&D I used to have to pay the IMechE the thick end of

 

[Doc Hudson]

So, as my Gran would say:quit your belly aching and get on with it!

Interesting points about ChEng PCElectrcis and your Gran's advice probably holds some water as well.

Doc H.

 

[Riggy]

As usual, it depends!

My first reaction is no, they make their members jump through hoops, some of which add value, some of which don't. Whilst those who aren't members carry on their own sweet way.

However;

if your work is domestic, as said above you really have no choice (unless you charge Warsaw prices),

if you want to work for large organisations, it's very likely they'll want you to be NIC to tick their boxes.

If like me you do very little domestic, and your customers are small businesses, your last job/reputation/customer service is FAR more important than which club you're in or what stickers you have on your van.

For some it's a necessity, for me, it's just one more thing to stick my fingers up at!

 

[batty]

If you are going to be doing domestic ie extensions etc you will need to be registered as building inspector will want to see your part p certificate before he will pass your job. You can go the route of getting council to sign it off but that can cost a few hundred per job so being registered is probably the cheapest option. Part P is here to stay as it creates jobs and is a good money making scheme for government.

 

[green-hornet]

There have been some interesting points raised here, my initial view of part p was just the same "why should I have to prove myself", then I thought what the hell have I to prove or lose?

because some of my work involves domestic I decided to join up, to be honest I am glad I did, it has saved me untold hassle and each and every assesment I have had as taught me more and more.

I know I am good at my job, but its always nice for some one else to agree, it gives me the confidence to go to a client and give them a first class product and service.

 

[batty]

There have been some interesting points raised here, my initial view of part p was just the same "why should I have to prove myself", then I thought what the hell have I to prove or lose?because some of my work involves domestic I decided to join up, to be honest I am glad I did, it has saved me untold hassle and each and every assesment I have had as taught me more and more.

I know I am good at my job, but its always nice for some one else to agree, it gives me the confidence to go to a client and give them a first class product and service.

Totally agree its a pain in the bum but its here to stay so we may as well get used to it and just get on with it.

 

[sparkyrj]

I agree we need the nic etc, but in the past i have done a lot of subcontracting for nic registered companies, and a couple of times have been sent to the job that is being used for the annual inspection to bring the job up to scratch for the visit.I have also seen work done by an nic registered company only last week that was certainly not up to scratch.

 

[ProDave]

One point not mentioned is there is no Part P in Scotland. So if you choose to come up here and work, then there's no need to join any of those clubs if you don't want to.