Don't Laugh (please)

[VERY VERY OLDIE]

As my name sugests Im old, but love my elecrical work when I get it, I was awarded City & Guilds level 3 in Feb 2006 also EMTA awards LTD F/102/7127 Applicable Building Regulations for Domestic Electrical Installations/DEI/001 Applical Building Regulations for Domestic Electrical Insaliations., and at this moment in time I don't know where I stand, I only do domestic work and was told at time that I could self assess my work informing building controlcan anybody help? I have loads more to give you a laugh but realy this is seriouse for me.

 

[kme]

Welcome to the forum mate.

I don`t know those quals, but you can self-assess via the local authority concerned, or a scam provider.

If you want more specifics, just ask. One of us will be able to help, i`m sure.

KME

 

[Andy™]

Anyone can do any work. if your registered with a part p scam provider, you self-notify. otherwise, you have to inform LABC before you start work, they inspect and give the part p compliance

 

[NWDS]

Afternoon mr, we all have to start some were, have you joined one of the part P providers yet ???

NIC-EIC,Elecsa,Napit etc.

regards NWDs

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

As my name sugests Im old, but love my elecrical work when I get it, I was awarded City & Guilds level 3 in Feb 2006 also EMTA awards LTD F/102/7127 Applicable Building Regulations for Domestic Electrical Installations/DEI/001 Applical Building Regulations for Domestic Electrical Insaliations., and at this moment in time I don't know where I stand, I only do domestic work and was told at time that I could self assess my work informing building controlcan anybody help? I have loads more to give you a laugh but realy this is seriouse for me.

Ok mr very very oldie.... If we cant laughX(

can we have a beer?Guiness DrinkGuiness Drink

City & Guilds level 3 in Feb 2006 ? whats the number of that C&G? is it 16th edition 2381?

also EMTA awards LTD F/102/7127 Applicable Building Regulations for Domestic Electrical Installations/DEI/001 Applical Building Regulations for Domestic Electrical Insaliations., I don't have a clue what those are?? :|

But then since Part P introduced 2005 there have been a few new courses started! ?:| so it don't mean much that I haven't heard of them!?

I only do domestic work and was told at time that I could self assess my work informing building control can anybody help

Right.... just to try and clarify a few bits..

I assume cuz you done your recent C&G, you have a copy of BS7671 wiring reg's & On-Site-Guide? which you will know are just guidance for good practice NOT statutory... i.e. it has no stipulation as to what qualifications you need to undertake work.

BUT

within business & commercial work Heath & safety laws would require persons to be competent

and in Domestic since Jan 2005 Building regulations part P is a legal requirement, that also requires persons to be competent.

The C&G exams are one of the key bench marks to assess competence.

The building reg's part P requires certain work to be notified, New CU's, New circuits, work in bathrooms, kitchens gardens etc..

There are three paths for notifying work to LABC...

1. The complete DIY novice:

notify LABC before start work.. they sort out testing & cert's

Pay big fee to LABC

2. Electrically competent but not member of Part P scheme operator:

notify LABC, you provide Elec Cert with your test results etc..

they verify the bits they want & provide part P compliance cert.

Pay not quite so big fee to LABC

3. Member of Part P scheme: do the work, issue Elec cert's & notify everything yourself via your scheme provider.

Pay annual membership (BIG) & small notification fees for each job!

Probably the best thing would be for you to get a copy of "Approved Document P"

e.g. buy a copy

 

[batty]

Hello Mr vvo welcome to the forum as SL has said a download of the part p document should put you straight on what you can and cannot do. Do You drive a volvo by any chance and how old is very old.

Batty

 

[VERY VERY OLDIE]

Thanks lads for your replys, and offer of advice, just found it very difficult to take all in at course i attende I took a refresure course of 1Day to bring me up to scratch, but it failed as person giving lecture was more intent to frighten me to do anything, kept singinging "If I were a rich man" and saying how much the fines were if not up to regs,and if he went to check one and found fault how much he could charge the sparky who did work to save him being fined several thousand pounds, sounds like he had scam notions. Now to get back to me, im nearly 70 years old and love my work untill part P came into force i had been wiring domestic for at least 45years was ten yesrs with 1 employer, doing all his work for council never had any come backs, and to be honest I still wire same tody as I have always done Part P seemed to me only to make difference with where to run wires where to drill in joists in new buildings hight switches and sockets, and of course testing, Ibought a robin test kit Psc-Loop, RCD tester, and insulation continuity tester, I have struggled through my testing armed with my books and completed green NIC certs with help of "easy cert" I think I have done alright with them,, I was hopping for quite a lot of work, but suddenly in my area the market was full of electricians, from redundant factories paying for courses for them so only had a few jobs so made it stupid to join NIC as would not cover cost (would love to have done) just at time needed a little more practice to get confident, please guys help me get that confidence, so at least when I go I will have fully mastered this testing of domestic one stage at time, by way said you will laugh when on course they used the word cpc and I never had clue at time by time i found out they were talking about somthig else Im old school it was /earth/ live/ neutral /and megger good old days

 

[Voltimax]

Nearly 70! I hope that when I'm at that age, I'll be putting my feet up, not still crawling around in loft spaces! Still hope to be Karate chopping then though, lol

 

[VERY VERY OLDIE]

sorry to keep rabiting on , but I have just had complete rewire job, house is full of black rubber wire part rewired to juntion box leavig supply fed through old rubber wire found several points of fire hazard house is emptyhave found best route to run nem cables for first fix one thing im almost certain there is three gang switch down stairs fed from two seperate fuses landing two way and two downstairs lights i don't think this is allowed allso have new cu 17 edition and this is first time I have seen could you please help breakers supplied are 20 amp and 6amp got to get to find out more where do I look

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Now to get back to me, im nearly 70 years old and love my work....

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For an oldie you are obviously on the ball with the ole computers and this marvellous interweb as well!!!

good one sir!!!

respect :xB-)

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by way said you will laugh when on course they used the word cpc and I never had clue at time by time i found out they were talking about somthig else Im old school it was /earth/ live/ neutral /and megger good old days

you better catch up again then....

"live" was called "Phase"

but new 17th edition it is now called "Line"!!!

yet you have "Line conductors"

but also

"live parts"!!!

bet you also like the fact the nominal supply is 230v +10% -6% not 240V......

but really for 99.9% the actual voltage is still 240+!!!

ah!! progress! ; \

That does annoy me when people who are supposed to be teaching you..

spend more time trying to make themselves look clever and others daft!X( X(

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

sorry to keep rabiting on , but I have just had complete rewire job, house is full of black rubber wire part rewired to juntion box leavig supply fed through old rubber wire found several points of fire hazard house is emptyhave found best route to run nem cables for first fix one thing im almost certain there is three gang switch down stairs fed from two seperate fuses landing two way and two downstairs lights i don't think this is allowed allso have new cu 17 edition and this is first time I have seen could you please help breakers supplied are 20 amp and 6amp got to get to find out more where do I look

no problem whatsoever with an enclosure have more than one circuit inside it!

as long as the actual circuit conductors do not touch.. e.g. no combined (borrowed) neutrals.

 

[VERY VERY OLDIE]

this site is great thanks again for your help, feel im not alone.and you guys will be there to help, just by the way Voltimax saw my father put his feet up early less after 9 months had a stroke hope i can still work untill that day come to end all just love to work hope you get you wish, also thanks SPECIAL LOCATION bringing me up to date i had learned Phase but now line, also about enclosure as for some reason thought I had read this to be illeagle and I do no about borrowed neautrals thank guys

 

[a1]

Welcome to the forum, Sir.

It's great to have you onboard.

 

[NWDS]

Evening, if you are not sure on the testing side I useda book by Anthony Hinsley Testing Electrical installations E-Bay

 

[batty]

What happened to uneeda publications they used to do the certs you could write out yourself. They did a good testing and inspection book. I have one but it is getting a bit tatty.

Batty

(that rhymes)

 

[Apache]

Welcome to the forum

No agism here.

Pull up a zimmer frame, get that tartan rug over your lap and offer us a Worther's Origional

 

[VERY VERY OLDIE]

just thought I would let you know, today went to work with more confidence, in fact real happy, just knowing that help was at hand from this great friendly forum, i don't mimd problems to sort out and get over, in fact over the years got pretty good at it love first fix and feel now I will love even testing, with back up from you guys, think I will die happy on job (Ok no wise cracks, perhapps cracks was also not the right word with you lot) Ha Ha

 

[Evans Electric]

Uneeda disapeared some years ago Batts. I'm just glad to welcome someone older than me !! And someone who calls the CPC an earth wire too !! I bet he used to sweat cable lugs on too, with the gas torch !!

Deke

 

[Doc Hudson]

just thought I would let you know, today went to work with more confidence, in fact real happy, just knowing that help was at hand from this great friendly forum, i don't mimd problems to sort out and get over, in fact over the years got pretty good at it love first fix and feel now I will love even testing, with back up from you guys, think I will die happy on job (Ok no wise cracks, perhapps cracks was also not the right word with you lot) Ha Ha

That is good to know Very Very Oldie, nice to have you here and to add another Welcome to you.

Doc H.

 

[GreekIslandLover]

(Ok no wise cracks, perhapps cracks was also not the right word with you lot) Ha Ha

I take it you mean what Americans call "plumbers crack", and we call "Builders bum"? At the grand old age of nearly 50 I still fit into 32" trousis, and try not to dislpay a crack. Or at least wear a long t shirt to hide it I've had to give up wearing nothing but boxers under the white suit in the loft after it split and I frightened an apprentice!!

Welcome to the forum, and it's a great place for a laugh and a chat As well as lots of good info and discussion,