Gas earth bond

[davidl]

Good morning all,

I have had this problem twice very recently, both jobs were houses being prepared for renting so both needed a gas safety cert. The gas engineer demanded that the gas bond be sited in the external meter cupboard which was not even attached to the house, he showed me his gas safe regulations and I told him I had checked back with the NICEIC and they approved where I suggested the bond should be. His reply was that on the next gas cert (12 months time) if he did it he would not pass it.

Any similar experiences

Kind regards

David

 

[PC Electrics]

Look here:

http://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=148411#post148411

Good morning all,I have had this problem twice very recently, both jobs were houses being prepared for renting so both needed a gas safety cert. The gas engineer demanded that the gas bond be sited in the external meter cupboard which was not even attached to the house, he showed me his gas safe regulations and I told him I had checked back with the NICEIC and they approved where I suggested the bond should be. His reply was that on the next gas cert (12 months time) if he did it he would not pass it.

Any similar experiences

Kind regards

David

Suggest to the client that they employ someone else - he's exceeding the bounds of his responsibility.

Or, try another tack - ring up GS and complain.

Could you get a copy of these "regs" and post them here for us all to see?

 

[Revved Up Sparky]

".... where practicable the connection to the gas, water, oil etc, service should be within 600mm of the service meter or at the point of entry to the building if the service meter is external and must be on the consumers side before any branch pipework and after any insulating section in the service. The connection must be made to hard pipework, not to soft or flexible meter connections..."

OSG page 29 or reg 544.1.2

It's there in black and white that if the gas meter is external the service pipe can be bonded within 600mm of entry to the property (where practicable).

Perhaps us sparks should start inspecting gas mains and dishing out advice to gas engineers ? :red card

 

[kme]

Mmmmm.

As I said on the thread which PCE has linked for you, it isn`t uncommon. However, if you have either:

a) complied with the regs, OR

B) noted on your cert. WHY you haven`t complied,

then your bum isn`t hanging out in the wind, so to speak.

 

[wozz]

my family rent out properties and this happens quite alot, all they have to do is note that is bonded elsewhere we have never had a property fail a gas cert just had it noted. Sounds like the gas engineer is going a bit too far.

 

[ianmacd]

".... where practicable the connection to the gas, water, oil etc, service should be within 600mm of the service meter or at the point of entry to the building if the service meter is external and must be on the consumers side before any branch pipework and after any insulating section in the service. The connection must be made to hard pipework, not to soft or flexible meter connections..."OSG page 29 or reg 544.1.2

It's there in black and white that if the gas meter is external the service pipe can be bonded within 600mm of entry to the property (where practicable).

Perhaps us sparks should start inspecting gas mains and dishing out advice to gas engineers ? :red card

Premises not building. Premises just means the extent of the owners land not the buildings on it but the other part there is 'where practical'.

DOes the gas go though the wall or up the wall into the loft?

 

[binky]

Had a similar query the other day where gas plumber had insisted boiler be wired to FCU instead of being on a plug. Why plumbers think they can dictate electrical issues is beyond me!!!

 

[Revved Up Sparky]

Premises not building.

You will have to take that objection up with the IEE as I quoted directly from them (via the OSG)

 

[ianmacd]

Read the BRB then as thats what we work to not he OSG.

 

[green-hornet]

I had a job in Preston where external gas meter was just not viable for connection.

Inside the gas pipe ran up the wall in trunking, then into the hallway. I bonded at this point which was the first available accessable point for bonding.

Totally acceptable for the regulations.

The Gas engineer should be allowed back next year, let him fail the installation then take his backside to court for compensation. He should them make a claim against his professional indemnity insurance for the bad advise and actions taken.

 

[PC Electrics]

Thinking about it, if you know who this 'Engineer' is, why not contact him by email or letter and ask for confirmation of this advice. Once you've got written evidence, then you've got a case for making a complaint about his conduct to Gas Safe now.

Nip this thing in the bud now if you can, rather than storing up trouble for your Landlord next year.

 

[davidl]

Good morning all,

Many thanks for all the replies, I can contact the engineer concerned and will be able to arrange to meet him on site face to face so I will let you know the outcome.

kind regards

David

 

[binky]

Good morning all,Many thanks for all the replies, I can contact the engineer concerned and will be able to arrange to meet him on site face to face so I will let you know the outcome.

kind regards

David

Get it in writing - discussions do not stand up well in a legal framework, (unless secretly taped in duplicate) :innocent

 

[Revved Up Sparky]

Read the BRB then as thats what we work to not he OSG.

Wrong again ! the IEE regulation number is clearly there on my original post, the OSG merely quoted it. Last time I looked, all British electricians still worked to comply with the 17th edition of the IEE regulations.

So come on, follow my original advice and contact the people that wrote the 17th edition IEE wiring regulations, namely The Institution of Engineering and Technology (The IET) and tell them that they must use the word 'premises' and not 'building' in regulation 544.1.2

I'm sure they will be willing to listen to somebody superior to them who has some new undiscovered information.

Please let me know what they say. Thanks very much.

 

[ianmacd]

They dont use building they use premesis in that regulation which is why I told you to actually read it.

It doesn concern me that you are claiming regualtions exist and even making them up to suit your neads. Do you even have a copy of the BRB?

 

[PC Electrics]

Now now children!

Reg 544.1.2 uses both terms, premises in the first sentence and building in the last.