How many cables into a double socket?

[ian932]

Now are the terminals rated for the thermal increase that a 30A current can generate?

I would find it hard to believe they are not capable of taking a full 32A load as Appendix 15 shows us a 4mm radial doing just this and I don't see anyone selling sockets that are specifically for this application. I suspect the 20A rating is on the Pin to Terminal conductor within the moulding.

 

[cjonesguitar]

i opened it up again today to have a look.... yes all 3 cable (6mm and 2.5mm) are right up tight so i wouldn't be able to get them back in if i looked any further... the only thing a noticed is that front of the socket was a tad warm (not massively).

one thing to note its been having use for 2 and a half years with boiler, washing mashing, dishwasher, kettle, etc with out fault yet.

is there anything that can be done the other end on the fuse box? it's on it's own 30a fuse.... i.e not apart of the main box.... my concern is just piece of mind and not over spending as this property is over budget... so if i sell on let out i know it's ok.

there was once a problem with the oven and i know the fuses take along time to blow (i was stood next to the fuse box as it was blowing!!) bad connetion at back of the cooker and not down rated to 13A so being fed 30A)

{I have merged this onto the original thread no reason having two current threads on the same subject. Doc H.}

 

[monkey5]

could you change the first socket to a junction box, or remove the socket front and put connections(approp rated choc blocs or lever wagos) inside back box with blank plate on?

wayne

 

[cjonesguitar]

problem is it look untidy also it is behind fridge so is hand to plus fridge into.

 

[monkey5]

untidy but alot safer id have thought. what about doing as i said and put another socket to the side?

 

[cjonesguitar]

yes can do... (i can obv can put blank plate and connectors in...) also can you spur from the juntion box for new socket? i may just put a single there.

 

[monkey5]

just had a thought, how deep is back box, if shallow could you change for 35mm/47 mm. connect 6mm to 1x 2.5 going to next socket, other 2.5mm from 6mm to socket where connections are then on to next socket. that way all connections are in an enclosure (back of box) and youve still got socket for fridge.

does that make sense it does in my head but was harder to right down.

wayne

 

[cjonesguitar]

yes sort of... a bit like spuring from back box to front of box? any more suggestions welcome...

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also just to add to this, i think oven also have 30A going to spur boxes? surly this is the same?

 

[kerching]

I like the USA method. shove 'em all into a screwit [ I was going to say "Midget" but that would open a can of worms methinks?!?! ] then wodge one core into the socket...simples [NOT]... :coat

useless piece of information....Screwits came in 2 sizes 'Midgets' and 'Normals'....imagine using that nomenclature in todays politically correct society... :coat

 

[chrishaworth]

41A 3 way WAGOs will take 6mm cable and should fit behind the socket within the back box.

Cheers. Chris

 

[cjonesguitar]

went to b & q... had a look to be honest i think it's a bag of worms im opening.... is it possible to do electrical test on kitchen ring alone to see if correct 30 amps is going through ring?

 

[ProDave]

went to b & q... had a look to be honest i think it's a bag of worms im opening.... is it possible to do electrical test on kitchen ring alone to see if correct 30 amps is going through ring?

30 Amps won't "go through ring" unless you have 30 amps worth of load plugged into some sockets. I'm not sure what you are asking there.

You should be able to test ring continuity at any socket on the ring.

Why is this a "bag of worms"

You have a circuit wired as a lollipop and you have established the terminals on the SO where it's fed from are large enough to take the 3 cables.

So exactly what is your issue? what are you trying to achieve? Are you wanting to make alterations to the circuit, or just doing a PIR and not sure how to report it?

I know Lollipop circuits have been discussed before, and nobody has found a reg specifically dis allowing them, but on the other hand neither has anybody found a reg that actually mentions them in any way.

My own personal take is the circuit is probably okay if the terminals can take the 3 cables without giving any a haircut, and it would only be an issue if the customer wanted new sockets, and the replacements had smaller terminals. Then you might need to find an alternative way of feeding the ring.

 

[cjonesguitar]

30 Amps won't "go through ring" unless you have 30 amps worth of load plugged into some sockets. I'm not sure what you are asking there.You should be able to test ring continuity at any socket on the ring.

Why is this a "bag of worms"

You have a circuit wired as a lollipop and you have established the terminals on the SO where it's fed from are large enough to take the 3 cables.

So exactly what is your issue? what are you trying to achieve? Are you wanting to make alterations to the circuit, or just doing a PIR and not sure how to report it?

I know Lollipop circuits have been discussed before, and nobody has found a reg specifically dis allowing them, but on the other hand neither has anybody found a reg that actually mentions them in any way.

My own personal take is the circuit is probably okay if the terminals can take the 3 cables without giving any a haircut, and it would only be an issue if the customer wanted new sockets, and the replacements had smaller terminals. Then you might need to find an alternative way of feeding the ring.

what i mean is i dont know if all three have acturally fitted in without haircut... that was original post...

 

[m4tty]

Can you take a picture of the termination mate and upload it. Or check to see whether it's been given a haircut. If it ain't then it's ok.

 

[cjonesguitar]

 

[kme]

Need to see a bit more of the actual terminations, mate.

Ideally, shut the ring off, and remove all the conductors from all terminals. Look at the ends to see if they`ve been pared down.

n.b. DO test to ensure you HAVE actually isolated the circuit you`re working on

KME

 

[cjonesguitar]

im worried i wont get them back in

 

[Doc Hudson]

If you cant get them back in then remove the socket front altogether, terminate cables in suitable connectors and put a blanking plate over the top. Then if needed add a extra more accessibly wired socket. All joints must be accessible for inspection and testing, theres a reg somewhere that says that.

Doc H.

 

[tom1]

as mentioned wago do a 41 amp connector which will take 3 conductors from 2.5 mm to 6mm

 

[cjonesguitar]

the only thing i can add is that all cable sleves are right up tight..