my first private job

[philbas]

Safe zone's are not there for fun, they are to protect lives.

 

[wicksy]

Gavin well done for posting it mate and it does look like a first job and i am sure you will learn from this.

The next job you do i am sure you will chase in the safe zones and im sure you will be more confident with your plastering, next time fill it in first with bonding coat with a sponge float so it is just below the chase then apply a thin coat of brown.

I am also sure you will seperate the mains voltage from the data/digital etc etc.

I would also be careful putting plates/sockets too close to the flat screen bracket as it could hinder the fitting of the tv.

One more thing mate if your putting plates/switches/sockets etc close together then get them both level bud.

I am not having a go mate as we all started somewhere so big applaud for posting it and dont get too down as im sure your mate is chuffed.

Guinness

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Forgot to add if your putting in sockets for TV's in the newer houses then you have to observe the 1200mm to the top rule

:Y

 

[philbas]

I'm not having a go either, you have one more payed job under your belt than I do, just making observations, always taught, If a jobs worth doing I'ts worth doing right

 

[Jono Pashley]

]Forgot to add if your putting in sockets for TV's in the newer houses then you have to observe the 1200mm to the top rule :Y

Pretty sure if its for a specific item it can be exempted from that rule, although mr carling and his friends may have confused me again.

 

[ProDave]

I'm not having a go either, you have one more payed job under your belt than I do, just making observations, always taught, If a jobs worth doing I'ts worth doing right

DEFINITELY exempt.

The 1200 rule is for general purpose switches and sockets. Items with a specific purpose and reason for being higher (or lower) are exempt.

Anyway, when the tv's on the wall, the building control man would never even see the socket so it won't trouble him. Remember these silly height limits are a building regulation, not a wiring regulation.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

DEFINITELY exempt.The 1200 rule is for general purpose switches and sockets. Items with a specific purpose and reason for being higher (or lower) are exempt.

Anyway, when the tv's on the wall, the building control man would never even see the socket so it won't trouble him. Remember these silly height limits are a building regulation, not a wiring regulation.

Pretty sure if its for a specific item it can be exempted from that rule, although mr carling and his friends may have confused me again.

+ LABC have no involvement with this non notifiable work anyway, so its down to what the client wants ans is happy with!

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As its plugged in its debatable if thats needed as far as BS7671

Agreed

The circuit you have altered must be protected by a 30Ma RCD or protected by earthed metal coduit if its installed within a wall less than 50mm deep ,

A circuit has NOT been altered.... Its a plugged in accessory :C

The circuit finishes at the accessory socket outlet.

The point where you take your Zs, R1+R2's etc..

Not up the plug in the flex to the accessory!

The mains voltage cables should be in a seperate containment from the extra low voltage, aerials, scart, hdmi etc.

Depends upon what the insulation rating is on the SCART lead??

528.1 (i)

Well here it is I did it this morning.

There has been some rubbished facts spouted off on this thread...

But it is still correct that the job is rather naff IMHO.

 

[OnOff]

OK for my tuppence worth of input it doesn't look nice mainly because of the rough plaster / filler but that's easily fixed with a rub down and lick of paint. No excuses for straying from the safe zones though. Doing it like that you should have used a right angle trunking connector. As for it being "easier" I'm surprised those IEC mains connectors go through that size trunking (or did you run the lead in first, cap it THEN plaster it). You can always get loose plugs you can wire on the cable yourself. However unlikely people DO stick pins, screws, nails in ODD places. XMAS decorations, kids pictures, lets add another shelf above the tv unit to squeeze some more AV kit in. Saying that Joe Public often doesn't have a clue about safe zones BUT it does cover you! As mentioned above, whats the most aesthetically pleasing place for a wall fixture............above a fitting! Case in point - dinner gong / near miss:

Aside from all this we have the mixing of Band II circuits and the AV stuff where the signalling voltages I assume would place it in the Band I category - all in the SAME trunking? See Proximity Of Wiring Systems To Other Services in the regs.

 

[pewter]

Could the chase have been filled with hard wall/bonding coat , left low ready for a white finishing coat to go over the top.?

That's how I fill chases

Agreed its not in the safe zone. Does everyone always manage to keep to safe zones or does a real world situation mean that people sometimes deviate.

Separation, not perfect but I think it will still work. How many houses have all the cables for the TV and equipment all tied together. I know in a lot of offices all the computer cables, phone and power cables are all bunched and tied together, wrapped around desk legs etc.

I always separate my cables I run, but the user then tidies them all up there side but bunching them together. It all still works.

Not the tidiest install but I'm sure it will work and not kill anyone.

 

[gavindrummond]

I'm going back today to sand down and fill in again until an even smooth surface is achieved I posted the picture as it simply was yesterday I made no statement indicating that it's the finished thing. I agree with the safe zones but I purposely did it that way so if the customer wishes to add any more leads they can. I also agree about segregation of different voltage leads. But as the post above states there only running side by side for such a small amount of distance. I have learned a lot from this so I would like to thank you all for contributing to this. Everyone makes errors that's what makes us human beings. As long as its not dangerous to anyone I def would uninstall it.

 

[OnOff]

Looking at the OP photograph............that looks like MOULDED, right angle IEC female plug if I'm not wrong? I can't see how that would EVER fit through a 16x40 trunking........or am I missing something? Or was it already in the trunking before it went in the wall?

 

[Sidewinder]

The flex connected tot he plug top does not come under BS7671.

 

[pewter]

I don't think it would fit through the trunking closed. Is that a problem?

If something else needed to go through it could . The option of cutting the end off a lead and crimping it back together is there. It gives more flexibility then capping.

 

[gavindrummond]

That's the finished job now sanded down and smooth.

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[Andy™]

I have seen a drawing pin stuck in a cable, i suppose the wall was to hard. Then there's Andy pic of a nail or something in some mini trunking.

you mean this one?!

 

[OnOff]

The flex connected tot he plug top does not come under BS7671.

IMO it does. There are at least a couple regs the install contravenes under the various sections of 522. If nothing else then by virtue that he has now HIDDEN it, it IS now a cable CONCEALED is a wall (I'm assuming it's at less than 50mm) whether flex or not. How about "A wiring system intended for the drawing in or out of conductors or cables shall have adequate means of access to allow this operation"? IF that moulded plug lead can't be withdrawn as is then that's an issue. IF however there was a removable plug i.e. this issue had been anticipated then different story.

 

[Sidewinder]

It does not come under 7671 because it is plugged in end of story, no arguments, no discussions that is the definition like it or lump it.

 

[Steve3948]

The only people that know about safe zones are Electricians - Fact.

 

[Sidewinder]

However, anything on a plugtop does not come under 7671, another fact.

 

[lineman]

Bloody right plugtop=portable appliance

 

[gavindrummond]

I already made the customer aware that once the scart and plug top lead is installed you cannot take it away without clipping it first. And he was happy to do that.