Hi lads, have been told by JIB that I wonT be able to renew my ECS card this year unless I complete a NVQ LEVEL 3 course. I have no problem with covering any of the work it entails just wnted to know if anyone knew of any online colleges I can take it from at a reasonable rate as the only ones I have come across are asking
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1. Quit job
2. Sign on
3. Enroll at college at tax payer expense.... :coat
2. Sign on
3. Enroll at college at tax payer expense.... :coat
Dan, you wont get your NVQ paid paid for by the joke centre.
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I'm working at a site in Birmingham at a school and the site foreman is a little hitler.
He questioned my trainee electrician card and I told him my quals and he asked me why I was classed as a trainee so I told him as soon as I pay
He questioned my trainee electrician card and I told him my quals and he asked me why I was classed as a trainee so I told him as soon as I pay
Deke, I have seen the NVQ3 advertised at over
Being an electrician seems to cost more every year.
And theres me thinking it was a way of EARNING money , feeding the family, paying the bills !!!
And theres me thinking it was a way of EARNING money , feeding the family, paying the bills !!!
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no, you're correct that the job shop wont, but colleges have to give out course funding for people that cannot afford them. I paid in full for my first year (level 2 c&g) but lost my job before my level 3 started. College told me to sign on and that they would arrange the funding from government.
Deke, I fully agree, I once wanted to learn to fly, its less hassle doing that than being an electrician apparently.
AndyGuinness
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As you crawl through some grotty ,sweaty ,dirty old loft space ,full of foul fibre glass lagging , trying to install wiring without contravening a thousand Regulations ..... spend the winter on a freezing building site.... or install high bay lighting , high up in a steaming hot , fume ridden factory roof .......
.....just think of all these organisations that wouldn't exist if you didn't get your hands dirty every day .
.....just think of all these organisations that wouldn't exist if you didn't get your hands dirty every day .
Exactly Deke, 95% of them are leeches.
AndyGuinness
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But they know you need your card to earn the
I suppose you could have had a ECS card as a apprentice / trainee and not needed the NVQ, once you qualify and need to renew you need it.
The NVQ comes in for too much stick, which is ironic as its whats separates the 5WW, which also come in for stick, there are also people in between or trained before it who give it stick, but lets face it quals without it can be taken in a matter of days, JIB want it and employers want it, like it or hate it its what DEFINES us. As ive said before get it or spend alot of time saying why you dont need it, what you do may mean this is not necessary but you never know whats round the corner to having it is a big plus!
The NVQ comes in for too much stick, which is ironic as its whats separates the 5WW, which also come in for stick, there are also people in between or trained before it who give it stick, but lets face it quals without it can be taken in a matter of days, JIB want it and employers want it, like it or hate it its what DEFINES us. As ive said before get it or spend alot of time saying why you dont need it, what you do may mean this is not necessary but you never know whats round the corner to having it is a big plus!
Vanderbilt , are you self employed ? Must be if you're with ELECSA I assume ? So ELECSA deem you to be a competent person for the purpose of domestic installation , do you need the ECS card ?
If you are earning ,and self employed , save up over a period and take it later , stuff the ECS card till later .
If you are earning ,and self employed , save up over a period and take it later , stuff the ECS card till later .
I am SE Deke working in domestic but also do agency work which is just usually a few weeks here and there but lately has started coming in more frequently as more companies have requested me back.
I would have done the NVQ sooner or later I suppose as it is the recognised standard but considering I have been with JIB through 3 card renewals you think they would have told a couple of years ago that I had to aqyire the qually and I could have been assembling my portfolio of work over time instead of having to rush it over the next couple of month.
You're not wrong about getting these things when you are young. I think I have spent more time in colleges in the last 7 years than I ever did when at school. I'm sure there is a lesson in that somewhere.
I would have done the NVQ sooner or later I suppose as it is the recognised standard but considering I have been with JIB through 3 card renewals you think they would have told a couple of years ago that I had to aqyire the qually and I could have been assembling my portfolio of work over time instead of having to rush it over the next couple of month.
You're not wrong about getting these things when you are young. I think I have spent more time in colleges in the last 7 years than I ever did when at school. I'm sure there is a lesson in that somewhere.
Deke, the NVQ started as a bolt on to the C&G courses, NVQ's arent taught through colleges much if at all right now.
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philbas
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In my opinion the NVQ is a qualification that has been totally perverted from its original intention.
The idea behind the NVQ was to give students with no academic ability, but some practical ability a bit of paper to say they could in fact do something.
comparison tables are given here National Vocational Qualification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So you were no good at maths and illiterate, but could lay bricks you got a bit of paper to say you had an NVQ in bricklaying.
Somewhere along the line it's status changed, now it seems everyone wants an NVQ, all it shows is practical skills, it does not show knowledge of the underlying theory.
ie: with the NVQ the person knows how to practically instal a ring main, but has no idea as to why they are using 2.5 cable and a 32A MCB.
with the C&G 2330 they know exactly why they can use 2.5 on a 32a mcb, but have no idea how to chase out the wall.
So although two 2 qualifications where meant to be alternatives, the powers that be seem to think practice overrides theory.
Myself I think this is a dangerous approach, practice should be built on theory, not offered as an alternative.
The idea behind the NVQ was to give students with no academic ability, but some practical ability a bit of paper to say they could in fact do something.
comparison tables are given here National Vocational Qualification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So you were no good at maths and illiterate, but could lay bricks you got a bit of paper to say you had an NVQ in bricklaying.
Somewhere along the line it's status changed, now it seems everyone wants an NVQ, all it shows is practical skills, it does not show knowledge of the underlying theory.
ie: with the NVQ the person knows how to practically instal a ring main, but has no idea as to why they are using 2.5 cable and a 32A MCB.
with the C&G 2330 they know exactly why they can use 2.5 on a 32a mcb, but have no idea how to chase out the wall.
So although two 2 qualifications where meant to be alternatives, the powers that be seem to think practice overrides theory.
Myself I think this is a dangerous approach, practice should be built on theory, not offered as an alternative.
and the NVQ should be resigned to the bin where it belongs
philbas
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Just to add, my respect to those that have done both the C&G and the NVQ you have practice and theory, but it seems the powers that be are going mad when Sparks that have been working for 20+ plus years are told there not sparks because they don't' have a qualification that didn't even exist when they trained
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