self certifying

[steptoe]

Interesting. Any idea why that is? Elecsa have a nice lady (who's name I can not recall) who loves phoning people/companies and explaining that nic is not the only way.Good luck anyway whatever you decide.

just obviously a better known brand I suppose,

not that for one minute I would say better.

a few local authorities, and a couple of large companies, along with some minor housing associations. I wouldnt like to rock the boat too much(as they say) at this stage or they may simply withdraw the electrical works from the gas fitters and award to someone else.

on the present workload I could have probably 1000 to 1600

 

[ianmacd]

Trueish. Although just because your contract may contain such a clause does not necessarily imply that such a clause is indeed lawful, and if it is unlawful then it is illegal for them to enforce such a clause.

Indeed. That would be a breech of common law that gives you the right to earn a living. They will most likely terminate your current contract with them on this point and claim breech of contract but would be unlikely to have a case for compensation.

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Trueish. Although just because your contract may contain such a clause does not necessarily imply that such a clause is indeed lawful, and if it is unlawful then it is illegal for them to enforce such a clause.

I think you will find most employment contracts nowadays have been gone through very thoroughly as to their legality.

It is very common practice for employment contracts to have clauses about conflicts of interest should an employee be involved with a business of a similar nature to their place of employment.

It would encompass such items as stealing intellectual copyright material, customer database details, not carrying out duties in the best interests of the company etc.. etc...

All of which are very nice grounds for an employer to take actions to release an employee from their employment contract without the needs for redundancy payments etc...

A business does have reasonable grounds to defend its own business interests.

If the employment contract does include such clauses and you are carrying out works that could be considered competitive to your employer you would be the one on the slippery slope not them!

 

[Evans Electric]

with a big company its fairly easy patch. In 6 years of working for them, i spoke to the boss twice, once to say hello, once to say goodbye.

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[Evans Electric]

Interesting. Any idea why that is? Elecsa have a nice lady (who's name I can not recall) who loves phoning people/companies and explaining that nic is not the only way.Good luck anyway whatever you decide.

Jean Mickle is her name , dealing with an insurance company for me at the moment. Nice lady.

Deke

 

[SteveH37]

hmmmmmm sounds interesting, I work in maintenance electric's so could do this in my spare time without conflict. Could be a nice little earner at the weekends. What's enrolment cost nowadays?

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

hmmmmmm sounds interesting, I work in maintenance electrics so could do this in my spare time without conflict. Could be a nice little earner at the weekends. What's enrolment cost nowadays?

Around the

 

[a1]

Steptoe,

I hope you don't mind, But when I read your thread, I took it upon myself to E-mail ALL of the Scheme providers with that burning question.

So far, only the NICEIC has E-mailed back, and here is their reply (I will add the others as I get them)...

Hi Jamie,

Thank you for your email. it is possible for you to be registered with the NICEIC as an individual as well as with your current employer. However you must bear in mind that you will be assessed twice a year. Once for your own company; and once with your employers.

I trust this information is of use to you, should you require any further information please do not hesitate to contact us on 08700 130 458.

Kind Regards,

Donna Oakley | Sales Consultant | NICEIC Group Ltd

Warwick House | Houghton Hall Park | Houghton Regis | Dunstable | LU5 5ZX

Direct: 01582 556 549 | Fax: 01582 556 004

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PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS AS WE CANNOT GUARANTEE RESPONSE TIMES.

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And Elecsa's reply...

Hi

There is nothing stopping you registering as a sole trader while still being the Qualified Supervisor for your employer. Quite a lot of contractors have a job Monday to Friday and then to their own work at weekends. Obviously the process is the same, and it is the cheapest option for you to apply on-line at

 

[Andy™]

Steptoe,I hope you don't mind, But when I read your thread, I took it upon myself to E-mail ALL of the Scheme providers with that burning question.

So far, only the NICEIC has E-mailed back, and here is their reply (I will add the others as I get them)...

to NIC's response of 2 assessments, what if they are within a week of each otehr with same assessor? would he even 'assess' anything on the second visit?

 

[ianmacd]

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[a1]

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[Andy™]

And they would still charge you twice for the privilage.

and they may even give you one assessment, for twice the price

 

[steptoe]

thanks admin.

for the assessment thing,

I dont think you could use the same jobs,

one would be your company's work

the other your own private.

tho, in all honesty, if you got the same bloke I cant see him wanting to do anything the second visit.

 

[steptoe]

thanks guys, and Admin for the e.mails to providers.

have done a bit more digging, and it wont have to be NIC for what I would be getting as a steadyish work to start with, any part P provider,

looks like prob ELECSA at this stage.

 

[green-hornet]

Im really not worried about work knowing I do work, in actual fact I done a job for one of the managers at his house cos it had to be a saturday and the firm were charging almost double for me after the mark up.!!!I just need to know if NIC will accept me twice.

maybe give them a ring beginning of week.

Ahhh, I get your predicament now.

If you are already registered as the QS your name will be down in the books anyway.

I would give them a call, it may be that you would not require any other visits, as they would be daft to double them up.

If you are the QS, its your name on the paperwork.

I would find it very odd that they or any one could object to you signing off any work that you may do on the side.

Other than the trading title I see no conflict, give the helpdesk a call and see if you can do multiple trading with only one anual visit.

 

[Andy™]

Ahhh, I get your predicament now.If you are already registered as the QS your name will be down in the books anyway.

I would give them a call, it may be that you would not require any other visits, as they would be daft to double them up.

If you are the QS, its your name on the paperwork.

I would find it very odd that they or any one could object to you signing off any work that you may do on the side.

Other than the trading title I see no conflict, give the helpdesk a call and see if you can do multiple trading with only one anual visit.

there is one major flaw with the one assessment idea - who pays for it. whilst it would be easier, if i was his employer, i dont see why i should pay full rate, yet he gets his own assessment FOC

 

[green-hornet]

Very true, however I would doubt that one QS would have to attend 2 assessments.

The fact that he is the QS would imply that he is in the eyes of part p competant and as such is legally entitled to sign off his own work.

I am trying to find a reason why anyone in authority could refuse him.

However what I would suggest is to post the certificates or copies of them to the LABC, who can then issue the building compliance certificate.

This would do away with the need to be individually registered.

I must admit, it does have me thinking, and the implications could be surprising.

 

[Andy™]

Very true, however I would doubt that one QS would have to attend 2 assessments.The fact that he is the QS would imply that he is in the eyes of part p competant and as such is legally entitled to sign off his own work.

I am trying to find a reason why anyone in authority could refuse him.

However what I would suggest is to post the certificates or copies of them to the LABC, who can then issue the building compliance certificate.

This would do away with the need to be individually registered.

I must admit, it does have me thinking, and the implications could be surprising.

but it would cost much more to notify jobs to LABC

personally, if i was his boss, i would insist he used a different scam provider, so there is no chance of 'part' assessments etc

 

[Nicky Tesla]

as a part p electrician, you have to have your own liability insurance, so signing work off under your works certificates could be a can of worms if anything went wrong. ev-n 4 bid.

 

[green-hornet]

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