So will the ICE be banned or not?

[PaulieN]

Yes 100% agree about population control

It’s a bit like assisted dying - nobody wants to talk about it so we export that to Switzerland

Its worse than that, only a very select few get to go to Switzerland, the vast majority of us lack the financial resourses, or mental capacity to give consent, as its usually too late by the time the severity of most conditions is known.

 

[Geoff1946]

Having recently watched first a relative and then a friend take many months to die of incurable cancers, mostly oblivious to the world through pain killers etc, with zero quality of life, I can definitely see the case for euthanasia.

 

[binky]

. . . And that means reducing our global population. THAT is the real challenge. Every other problem we have will be reduced and be easier to solve with a lower population. Indeed, many of our problems would simply disappear without any need to 'solve' them.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no acceptable way to reduce our population or our (understandable) desire for an ever-increasing standard of living, and therefore consumption. But if we don't do it voluntarily then events will force something to give and it won't be pretty.

the answer is the emancipation of women,' eh what' I here you ask? Educate girls and they go onto work / study and have careers. That means they put off having children to later in life, and have less of them. Where as women who are 'encouraged' to be housewives get married much younger and pop out lots of kids, because that makes them a successful wife/ mother type. The Pakistan minister for population (or whatever his title was) worked that out after decades of failing to control their own population growth.

 

[Murdoch]

Having recently watched first a relative and then a friend take many months to die of incurable cancers, mostly oblivious to the world through pain killers etc, with zero quality of life, I can definitely see the case for euthanasia.

I watched my mum have a horrible last couple of years - nobody enjoyed it, least of all her. She made no secret that should wanted to end her life but couldn't

Problem is that Parliament wont discuss it properly in case it "upsets" people - well - I can tell them it upsets me that they won't start the ball rolling.

 

[Gian]

Yes 100% agree about population control

It’s a bit like assisted dying - nobody wants to talk about it so we export that to Switzerland

I remember a film called Logans run. Once you got to 30 you were out.

 

[King Arthur]

the answer is the emancipation of women,' eh what' I here you ask? Educate girls and they go onto work / study and have careers. That means they put off having children to later in life, and have less of them. Where as women who are 'encouraged' to be housewives get married much younger and pop out lots of kids, because that makes them a successful wife/ mother type. The Pakistan minister for population (or whatever his title was) worked that out after decades of failing to control their own population growth.

In theory, yes, but in practice will this be fast enough? I doubt it.

 

[King Arthur]

I watched my mum have a horrible last couple of years - nobody enjoyed it, least of all her. She made no secret that should wanted to end her life but couldn't

Problem is that Parliament wont discuss it properly in case it "upsets" people - well - I can tell them it upsets me that they won't start the ball rolling.

I'd say it's worse than that.Parliament HAS debated the issue but there is such a strong lobby against 'assisted dying' (or whatever you want to call it) that the necessary laws are never passed.

I think it quite ironic in the context of the recent abortion ban in USA where the 'pro' lobby argued that women should have 'autonomy' over their own body, IE the right to decide for themselves, yet the anti-euthanasia lobby is expressly against such a right.

Surely the freedom to choose what to do with our own lives, including ending it when and how we wish, is the ultimate right of everyone? What right has anyone to deny that?

 

[binky]

In theory, yes, but in practice will this be fast enough? I doubt it.

definetly not fast enough, but makes for a good long term aim. The only thing likely to be fast enough is a nastier virus than Covid.

 

[binky]

I'd say it's worse than that.Parliament HAS debated the issue but there is such a strong lobby against 'assisted dying' (or whatever you want to call it) that the necessary laws are never passed.

I think it quite ironic in the context of the recent abortion ban in USA where the 'pro' lobby argued that women should have 'autonomy' over their own body, IE the right to decide for themselves, yet the anti-euthanasia lobby is expressly against such a right.

Surely the freedom to choose what to do with our own lives, including ending it when and how we wish, is the ultimate right of everyone? What right has anyone to deny that?

Dad would have much preferred to be 'put down' so he coud die at home instead of in A&E, the last place he wanted to be. We were trying to get him to a hospice thaat specialises in end of life care, going via the hospital was the quickest way to do that (ruddy rediculous).

I undrstand the concerns such an issue can raise, plus you need medical staff prepared to do the deed. I would never put any of my pets through unnecessay suffering, I really don't understand why we do that to our loved ones. But, it seems, the religous sections of society seem to have a loud voice in Parliament still - you would think they might be happy to go meet god

 

[Andy™]

I would never put any of my pets through unnecessay suffering, I really don't understand why we do that to our loved ones.

because that would be animal cruelty, but people are exempt from that and are required to suffer