Vertical Ring Circuits

[binky]

I've come acroos quite a few vertical splits on houses - diyers messing up 'up and down' rings, and then not labelling board correctly. As result I think the radial option is probably better to avoid future issues, adding socjets to circuits etc etc

 

[poni]

All the sockets in the room need to be on the same circuit ! really?  what about the kitchen or even the kitchen/dinner ?

 

[Evans Electric]

Theres no greater risk of electrocution wiring rings vertically than  horizontally ......its pull fuse , test for dead     NOT   pull fuse , stick finger in .     Not putting anyone in danger . 

If you wanted to kill a ground floor plug and pulled a fuse marked "Ground Floor Plugs"    you would still test for dead .

 

[OnOff]

Theres no greater risk of electrocution wiring rings vertically than  horizontally ......its pull fuse , test for dead     NOT   pull fuse , stick finger in .     Not putting anyone in danger . 

If you wanted to kill a ground floor plug and pulled a fuse marked "Ground Floor Plugs"    you would still test for dead .

Hmmm.........I thought you needed two people, one at the "fuse box" and the other out of sight shouting over the Disney channel:

Husband: "Switch it off.........the white one".

Wife: "OK, done it!"

Husband: "Arrrrgh! You stupid b****h, the OTHER white one!!!"

:lol:

 

[revor]

Many thanks for all the replies confirms what I thought but wanted to check in case got pulled up about it. There is a saying that "the meaning of the communication is the response you get". In my way of trying to be brief, when I referred to the underfloor heating situation I should have explained that there is only a concrete slab down at the moment and a builder friend proposed I fit trunking to the slab then insulate over then the u/f heating followed by the screed. I did not like the sound of this which is why wiring up and down via the first floor which are easijoists was more appealing. Thinking on of course here are other examples of up and down like 2 way switching. In my last house I had 3 floors and the central light was switchable from all three floors via an intermediate switch. 2 of the 2 way switches shared a ganged switch and had 2 different fused feeds. Don't know whether sharing a switch plate with 2 separate supplies is ok or not but was a situation I inherited. As I have some large rooms the thought of radials does not appeal for the sake of doubling up on the cable get more for it. Albeit radials does give you the option of isolating the kids from the telly and the internet.

Thanks again your replies are much appreciated.

 

[Evans Electric]

Many thanks for all the replies confirms what I thought but wanted to check in case got pulled up about it. There is a saying that "the meaning of the communication is the response you get". In my way of trying to be brief, when I referred to the underfloor heating situation I should have explained that there is only a concrete slab down at the moment and a builder friend proposed I fit trunking to the slab then insulate over then the u/f heating followed by the screed. I did not like the sound of this which is why wiring up and down via the first floor which are easijoists was more appealing. Thinking on of course here are other examples of up and down like 2 way switching. In my last house I had 3 floors and the central light was switchable from all three floors via an intermediate switch. 2 of the 2 way switches shared a ganged switch and had 2 different fused feeds. Don't know whether sharing a switch plate with 2 separate supplies is ok or not but was a situation I inherited. As I have some large rooms the thought of radials does not appeal for the sake of doubling up on the cable get more for it. Albeit radials does give you the option of isolating the kids from the telly and the internet.

Thanks again your replies are much appreciated.

Two circuits is not a problem   Revor .   Two phases however would require a warning label. 

 

[steptoe]

Many thanks for all the replies confirms what I thought but wanted to check in case got pulled up about it. There is a saying that "the meaning of the communication is the response you get". In my way of trying to be brief, when I referred to the underfloor heating situation I should have explained that there is only a concrete slab down at the moment and a builder friend proposed I fit trunking to the slab then insulate over then the u/f heating followed by the screed. I did not like the sound of this which is why wiring up and down via the first floor which are easijoists was more appealing. Thinking on of course here are other examples of up and down like 2 way switching. In my last house I had 3 floors and the central light was switchable from all three floors via an intermediate switch. 2 of the 2 way switches shared a ganged switch and had 2 different fused feeds. Don't know whether sharing a switch plate with 2 separate supplies is ok or not but was a situation I inherited. As I have some large rooms the thought of radials does not appeal for the sake of doubling up on the cable get more for it. Albeit radials does give you the option of isolating the kids from the telly and the internet.

Thanks again your replies are much appreciated.

realistically,

how much power do you expect to use in a bedroom or living area? 25A is 20tablelamps/10TVs/5PCs/etc etc etc in each room

perhaps a ring is justified in a kitchen or utility area, elsewhere, doubtful?

 

[NozSpark]

realistically,

how much power do you expect to use in a bedroom or living area? 25A is 20tablelamps/10TVs/5PCs/etc etc etc in each room

perhaps a ring is justified in a kitchen or utility area, elsewhere, doubtful?

I came to that exact same conclusion several years ago,,, radials everywhere, maybe except kitchens & utilities

 

[Steve3948]

With a ring at least you can convert to 2 X radial if calcs allow and rectifying the faulty section is not possible.