Your thoughts on EICR

[ElectricSpecs]

@SPECIAL LOCATION I did read on one of my inventories a note written on the electric parts - probably the CU  -that the last check was either done or due in 2002

Re passing the buck I know this is what people start thinking as the country increasingly enters a blame game culture but you couldn't reasonably expect a landlord who is a layman wrt electrics to know that an installation is safe, they have to delegate that to a specalist

 

[ElectricSpecs]

I wouldn't regard a landlord as dubious just because they havent had eicrs carries out previously. There are many choices in life that we all make wrt risk etc. It may be that a landlord has viewed the installation and while not a qualified specialist has seen that things do not look obvisouly wrong - exposed wires burnt elements etc. I'm sure with your training and background such a view may seem laise faire but it is probably how a large chunk of the populous live

 

[ElectricSpecs]

@pewter Thanks for your view. Yes whether the issues that are genuniely C2s are servicable is my dilema. You rates sound a bit higher but I see that you are in essex so probably london rates more of less. My time right now sadly doesnt seem to be worth a whole lot which is largely a result of this pandemic.

 

[ElectricSpecs]

I very much doubt this dates from 1968 as i wouldnt have thought CUs with RCDs existed back then

 

[Murdoch]

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I very much doubt this dates from 1968 as i wouldnt have thought CUs with RCDs existed back then

Really need a better picture just showing the fuseboard - but that board dates from the 1990's is my guess

investment maybe though i doubt it adds much if anything to the selling price.

Its a 1 bed flat not a house and the EICR cost £140, CU quoted at £660 inc vat. Thats on the south coast. Don't know how long on site as I wasnt present. Think from looking at the report it has 7 circuits.

Reason I say lower spec is because electrician originally (prior to the EICR) said he fits RCBO and additional surge protection but when quizzed said that this price was for cheaper alternative (think called rccd) and without surge protection.

TBH I think you should bite the bullet and get it done and make sure you get the Part P compliance too

The "south coast" is a VERY big place - can you be more specific

 

[pewter]

Without been able to see the detail ....

1- could it be rectified with a tube of Intumastic fire stop gear. The blank could be made good or add an MCB and remove the blank. 
 

2- I don’t code plastic consumer units C2..... though some do and raises a discussion. mentions hole in the back which could be sealed with more intumastic. I would C3. 
 

3- is this to do with the rating of the RCD not been 100A,  I would C3

4- it says fault protection society is it a TT system, if not then it is additional protection.  Is this regarding only 1 RCD, or 2 RCDs sin series.  Either way I wouldn’t C2. 
 

5-depending what cable he is referring to, could a clip/cleet/gland be added to rectify it. 
 

this is me guessing what the issues are, and what was raised. 
 

could you approach him and say budget is tight can it be rectified.  
 

It looks like it would benefit from been upgraded, but I wonder if the C2 points raised could be rectified for £50. 
 

 

[ElectricSpecs]

The "south coast" is a VERY big place - can you be more specific

west sussex

 

[ElectricSpecs]

Without been able to see the detail ....

1- could it be rectified with a tube of Intumastic fire stop gear. The blank could be made good or add an MCB and remove the blank. 
 

2- I don’t code plastic consumer units C2..... though some do and raises a discussion. mentions hole in the back which could be sealed with more intumastic. I would C3. 
 

3- is this to do with the rating of the RCD not been 100A,  I would C3

4- it says fault protection society is it a TT system, if not then it is additional protection.  Is this regarding only 1 RCD, or 2 RCDs sin series.  Either way I wouldn’t C2. 
 

5-depending what cable he is referring to, could a clip/cleet/gland be added to rectify it. 
  

this is me guessing what the issues are, and what was raised. 
 

could you approach him and say budget is tight can it be rectified.  
 

It looks like it would benefit from been upgraded, but I wonder if the C2 points raised could be rectified for £50. 
 

1. Sounds good.

2. The guide that Murdoch referred me to  - https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/media/2149/bpg4-1.pdf makes it pretty clear that it's a C2.

3. The BS code number referenced appears to relate to overload protection

4. Not sure what TT means, I understand it has a single RCD.

5. Yes I presume existing cables would be reused so it would be the same process whether to a new or existing CU i would think

ALready told him budget was tight, get the impression he's not interested in anything other than fitting a brand new CU.

If it can be upgraded to pass then that would be a substantial saving and keep some monry in the kitty for the next test when perhaps it will need replacing if they keep upping the standards. Shame that I dont suppose you work down this way?

 

[Murdoch]

1. Sounds good.

2. The guide that Murdoch referred me to  - https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/media/2149/bpg4-1.pdf makes it pretty clear that it's a C2.

3. The BS code number referenced appears to relate to overload protection

4. Not sure what TT means, I understand it has a single RCD.

5. Yes I presume existing cables would be reused so it would be the same process whether to a new or existing CU i would think

ALready told him budget was tight, get the impression he's not interested in anything other than fitting a brand new CU.

If it can be upgraded to pass then that would be a substantial saving and keep some monry in the kitty for the next test when perhaps it will need replacing if they keep upping the standards. Shame that I dont suppose you work down this way?

sounds like your spark doesn’t understand the finer details of doing EICRs

2. it’s not a C2

 

[pewter]

most things can be rectified, sometimes the money is better spent upgrading.

Sounds like he just isnt interested in upgrading it then.......

WIth the failed sheet you could try and find someone that can price to rectify and suply an EICR with a satisfactory result.

would want to compare that to having the consumer unit changed.

i am miles out of the way, i usually only work within a 5 mile radius at most.

 

[ElectricSpecs]

Just wanted to loop back with an update in case anyine reading it wondered what happend.

Using the guide that Murdoch referred me to I was able to get the original electrician to revise his findings and the result was that the only C2 remaining was the IP rating one which I have been able to get remedied for a small cost. This saved an unecessary upgrade and several hundred pounds so thanks for all your help guys!
 

 

[Sharpend]

Great feedback, glad it went well for you. 

 

[Murdoch]

Just wanted to loop back with an update in case anyine reading it wondered what happend.

Using the guide that Murdoch referred me to I was able to get the original electrician to revise his findings and the result was that the only C2 remaining was the IP rating one which I have been able to get remedied for a small cost. This saved an unecessary upgrade and several hundred pounds so thanks for all your help guys!
 

Well done .......... whats scary is the amount of sparks incorrectly coding issues and thus landlords are paying for work that isn't necessary ......

Lettings agencies seem to be "driving" this by forcing landlords to get EICR's done - specifically today, a customer told me that their Lettings Agency told them they have 30 day to get an EICR done OR they will instruct "their" electrician to do it. The tenancy isn't renewing until April '21 so the Landlord has until the 31st March to get it done

Seems to me the gravy train has a few passengers on it.

I keep referring Landlords to the Best Practice guide - but make sure its the one dated July 2020

 

[hardesbvcerd]

I can say from personal experience that getting a good EICR score is a headache.

 

[Murdoch]

I can say from personal experience that getting a good EICR score is a headache.

What do you mean by "score"?

 

[Sharpend]

What do you mean by "score"?

Is there now a league and table for EICR’s? 

 

[Doc Hudson]

I can say from personal experience that getting a good EICR score is a headache.

That may be because EICR’s do not have any scores. Rather just a Satisfactory or Unsatisfactory for continued use evaluation, based on various observations.

Doc H

 

[ProDave]

Looks like a junk member making a random post for some reason. One to watch.

 

[kerching]

Well i think in these politically correct times an EICR is BINARY

Also you will find that one in seven dwarves are grumpy

 

[Phoenix]

I read it is as "Getting a decent EICR done sure is a headache"