10mm T+E clipped externally

[Lee321]

cool. i like the higher bit insert thumbsup smilie

 

[m4tty]

hmmm ppl have a shower and have a habit of turning off the power to the shower straight after. wet hands!isn't it a requirement to be pull cord still even outside?

good practice maybe?

I've never known anyone who turns off the shower isolater switch after finishing in shower. It just gets left on constantly. Is this supposed to be turned off after? Cheers

 

[wozz]

just as much chance as people touching there kitchen light switch with wet / damp hands and we dont go putting pull cords in kitchens.

 

[Lee321]

I've never known anyone who turns off the shower isolater switch after finishing in shower. It just gets left on constantly. Is this supposed to be turned off after? Cheers

its not supposed to be or not matty. its a user preference.

but going on how some older generation live eg my mom turns everything off at the earliest opportunity ! its just a habbit some ppl get so you should allow for that imo.

 

[Lee321]

just as much chance as people touching there kitchen light switch with wet / damp hands and we dont go putting pull cords in kitchens.

ah but whole body resistence is a feature of just exiting the shower not just wet hands

 

[m4tty]

Hi theory,

if you don't mind can you explain the supplimentary bonding bit please. I thought if it was covered by rcd and satisfied the three points supp bonding could be omitted. Supp bonding wasent really covered much when I done my exams so I'm a bit unsure. So if anyone can explain it would be appreciated. Cheers

 

[Theorysparky]

Hi Matty

The shower i am putting in is a new circuit

There is no rcd board in place

regs/manufacturers instructions require rcd

therefore i need to split tails to put an rcd unit in

as the lights are not rcd protected then supplimentary bonding within the bathroom needs to be carried out

pipes-lights-shower-wall heater-shaver socket etc

check this link out

http://www.alexscullion.co.uk/bs7671-2008supplementarybonding.pdf

 

[m4tty]

Thanks mate for that. Good link aswell nice one

 

[Badger]

45a switch? on the wall ?

on the ceiling out of zone 1 :^O

 

[Nicky Tesla]

why are showers bonded anyway when they are plastic the old yellow osgs show a METAL shower but then it became any flippin shower. What can you touch on a shower which may give a shock if it is plastic? the water pipe maybe so lets now bond the water to the water pipe............totally pointless.

 

[Lee321]

on the ceiling out of zone 1 :^O

 

[kme]

I`d actually be with M107 here, and go the SWA route down the wall, TBH. Think it`d look neater.......just my opinion of course.

 

[bengie]

ah ha my very point. you could but you won't because you have a conscience so why not apply it further?you might think "people aren't that stupid" to touch a switch with wet hands ! but they are and in my opinion the risk is high enough to not.

how is the risk high enough? seriously how much water are you going to have to put over a switch in order to get a shock, don't forgot you will also have to be touching earth at the same time which again is pretty unlikely.

wet hands alone aren't dangerous in my opinion as the water would have had to track all the way into the switch and be a continuous stream of water from the contacts to yourself.

 

[bengie]

oh and about the shower being turned off after use it depends on the shower, if its a modern electronically controlled one then yes you should turn it off after use as they perform a short diagnostic when the power is returned. We were told this by Mira's engineer's on an installation/fault finding training course they ran for us.

 

[androiduk2002]

how is the risk high enough? seriously how much water are you going to have to put over a switch in order to get a shock, don't forgot you will also have to be touching earth at the same time which again is pretty unlikely.wet hands alone aren't dangerous in my opinion as the water would have had to track all the way into the switch and be a continuous stream of water from the contacts to yourself.

In this blame culture that we live in where the only people making money are solicitors surely if there is a 1% risk then that 1% should be eliminated. IMHO

 

[bengie]

i know what your saying but its such a low risk its not worth worrying about really, there are far more dangerous things around the home.

 

[Lee321]

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[green-hornet]

Under normal circumstances any electrical outlet placed in the bathroom would be safe enough, even a plug next to the bath for the wife to dry her hair

However and this is the problem should a fault or accident occur because of the likelyhood of the user being wet/damp the risk of death is far greater.

Electricity in itself is safe we install everything taking into account any fault that may occur, thats the difference between an electrician and any odd job seen it done like this man.

A 1% risk I think would be under normal use and without any fault showing, this percentage will increase beyond acceptable levels under fault or accidental damage.

Thats why I would bond if required and set all my circuit protection devises as per use etc etc.

 

[Sidewinder]

Keep it nice guys or the mods will be acoming!

We don't want that do we!... O)

They seem to have been active lately, it frightening! :Blushing

It is ho in certain countries they ride live kV lines and mount from a helicopter.

They just bring the whole chopper & the people up to the kV level first, no return path no electrocution.

IT IS possible.

 

[AAAMUSEMENTS]

Standing on a good rubber mat or decent rubber boots would have the same effect?