junction boxes

[batty]

My view is thisgo to a house to fit a new light

pendant and ceiling rose needs to be removed connector blocks are needed to make connections

but this light fixes to a bracket with screws

so connector blocks are accessible with the use of a screwdriver

but sometimes its too cramped in the light fitting so you push the blocks into the ceiling nicely taped up

no problem

you still need the screwdriver

Guiness Drink

I usually use the push fits these days.

Batty

 

[Nicky Tesla]

If your fingers are classed as a tool?????

the steps you have to stand on to pull the downlight down is the tool.

are there 7ft inquisitive children round your way.....wales ....maybe

 

[Theorysparky]

I usually use the push fits these days.Batty

Batty

do u still tape them or leave them as is ????

 

[batty]

Usually tape them as well.

Batty

 

[Nicky Tesla]

Usually tape them as well.Batty

so am i right, u use wago style pushfit connectors, then tape them up.

 

[Theorysparky]

i used the wagoboxes to extend 7 ccts last week

sexy and quick

 

[batty]

so am i right, u use wago style pushfit connectors, then tape them up.

That is correct. Also use the ones that take flex. Usefull if light has flex.

Batty

 

[Nicky Tesla]

That is correct. Also use the ones that take flex. Usefull if light has flex.Batty

Lets hope spesh dunt go to one of your jobs and have to look at your connections cos he has a problem getting tape off

 

[SPECIAL LOCATION]

Lets hope spesh dunt go to one of your jobs and have to look at your connections cos he has a problem getting tape offhttp://www.talk.electricianforum.co.uk/images/smilies/silly.gif

If thats what you say NT..... pity it isn't what i said thou? ?:|

Open a box = quicker,

Remove tape = slower.

 

[kme]

Lets hope spesh dunt go to one of your jobs and have to look at your connections cos he has a problem getting tape off

Plus, I come back to the point about accessibility & tools. The stepladder analogy doesn`t quite cut it Nicky.

 

[Nicky Tesla]

Plus, I come back to the point about accessibility & tools. The stepladder analogy doesn`t quite cut it Nicky.

Why not?.....Wot you have got to think about is WHY they came up with this rule in the first place.

It was to prevent, easy interference from people who should not be touching electrical connections, such as children. Agreed there are some pretty ****e taped up joints with the tape hanging off and the wires pulled tight at the terminals. I would remove them as you would but may, (not always) remake a taped up joint, but do it properly.

Light fittings are generally out of reach and so would need a concerted effort to gain access to the joints, finding something to stand on and physically removing the fitting before getting anywhere near the joint, so i really dont see the actual real life problem that having a taped joint would create. Who would this be a danger to?

The regs uses the word tool, to simplify matters, and if you look up the definition of tool, you should realise that a stepladder is indeed a tool.

I could open a chocbox with a cutlery knife, is this a breach cos it is not a tool? of course not, why? cos it is a tool by definition, even though it is a knife.

The regs are there to prevent danger, not particularly to make things easier for an electrician. eg getting to the connections of a chandelier at the ceiling is not easy, and undoing a taped joint is a doddle in comparison. So if there is no danger, then there is no problem.

Easy equation, you just have to take your blinkers off!

 

[Apache]

Definition of a 'tool' A tool is a device or a piece of equipment which typically provides a mechanical advantage in accomplishing a physical task, or provides an ability that is not naturally available to the user of a tool

Don't think a set of steps covers it. But a butter knife as a screwdriver is still a tool

I like the urban dictionary definitition One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. A cretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-steem (think we want him for working live?)

 

[Nicky Tesla]

Definition of a 'tool' A tool is a device or a piece of equipment which typically provides a mechanical advantage in accomplishing a physical task, or provides an ability that is not naturally available to the user of a toolDon't think a set of steps covers it. But a butter knife as a screwdriver is still a tool

I like the urban dictionary definitition One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. A cretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-steem (think we want him for working live?)

A piece of equipment, (yes ok so far), mechanical advantage( yes , the advantage it gives in getting you higher--so thats ok), accomplishing a task( yes the task of getting to the fitting--thats ok as well)

a set of steps is definitely covered.

 

[batty]

The reason I use chocbox for down lights was because I was told that joint boxes are not mechanically sound and decorators can pull the cables out of them. I thought this is a NICEIC thing but I could be wrong. When I had my first accessment for my part p I was pulled up for using terminal strips in switches and was told if I did they would have to be fixed to the box. So I use push fit connectors which are classed as mechanically sound. I would not think that using connector strip at a downlight is classed as mechanically sound but I could be wrong.

Batty

 

[Evans Electric]

Loved the flight of fancy from Nicky Tesla , excellent, those Electric Policmen are really brave tackling taped up connectors like that !!. Thank the good Lord it wasn't a black switchwire with red tape on it, he would have to call for back-up and then change it to brown !!Applaud Smiley

Deke

 

[Apache]

LOL @ Deke

Applaud SmileyApplaud Smiley:^OApplaud Smiley

 

[Evans Electric]

Patch, I have to say , I have no idea what LOL means !!

 

[Apache]

Patch, I have to say , I have no idea what LOL means !!

Bless - laugh out loud

 

[batty]

Bless - laugh out loud

Or could be lots of love.

Batty

 

[Apache]

Or could be lots of love.Batty

could be large orange *******, but it isn't